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Nats-Mets postponed, day-night doubleheader Saturday

Oct 2, 2015, 4:36 PM EST

Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER

NEW YORK — The opener of the Nationals’ final series of the season has been postponed, with heavy rain and strong wind pelting Citi Field all afternoon and not expected to let up all night.

The Nats and Mets will play a day-night doubleheader Saturday, with a makeup game at 1:10 p.m. and the originally scheduled game at 7:10 p.m.

Gio Gonzalez, Friday night’s starter, will pitch the opener against Noah Syndergaard. Max Scherzer and Matt Harvey will face off in the nightcap.

Though this series essentially is meaningless — the Mets clinched the NL East title a week ago — there is still one thing at stake. New York (89-70) is tied with Los Angeles for home-field advantage in their upcoming National League Division Series, leaving some pressure to play these final three games.

The forecast initially looked bleak all weekend, but with Hurricane Joaquin now expected to move out to sea and not directly impact the East Coast, conditions should be fine in New York on Saturday and Sunday.

  1. bc4314 - Oct 2, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    Go Nats!

    Jon Heyman reports what we already all know: Matt Williams to be let go on Monday.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25324936/inside-baseball-nationals-to-get-a-new-manager-and-more-mlb-moves

    • ArVAFan - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      I’d say “+1” but I think “-1” is probably more appropriate under the circumstances.

      -1

      Let the speculation begin on his replacement.

  2. natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

    Looking at Mark’s tweeter feed thingy at right, the game is postponed and there will be a day/night doubleheader tomorrow.

    Yeah, I saw that about Williams. I figured he was gone after the dugout incident and Svrluga’s pieces, but I still feel bad for the guy, getting canned right as he heads into the NYC media circus. Eh, they’re probably all about the Yanks and Mets there right now, anyway.

  3. sunshinebobby - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    At least it is not just us Nats Insiders who have Matty Boy packing. I don’t feel badly for him one bit. First, he deserves it. Second, he’ll be paid for not managing next year.

    And I will never have to sit through another Mr. Obvious, condescending post-game presser by the Big Marine.

    Hire Cal Ripken.

    • natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:17 PM

      To each his or her own. It can’t be easy to be ridiculed as he has been of late. Criticism is one thing, but making it personal is another thing.

      I’m not even an armchair GM, but I’d personally rather have someone who has managed in the bigs this time around.

    • sec112 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      You want condescending and obvious, Cal Ripken is your guy. Not sure why you’d expect anything other than that from him. Have you seen him interviewed?

      • Joe Seamhead - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:42 PM

        If you asked me to put together a list of 100 candidates in order for the manager of the 2016 Nationals Cal would be #99, right there ahead of…Matt Williams.

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    • natslive - Oct 2, 2015 at 11:42 PM

      Just say no to Cal

  4. natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    Daggum it! I just reported myself. That’s some sort of right of passage, I suppose.

    Meant to type that there was confirmation of his getting canned as he heads into the media circus, not that he’s actually being shown the door today. Dang. This gloomy weather is fogging my mind.

  5. bc4314 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    I don’t know about hiring Ripken. Dude has never managed before and if he doesn’t work out, I imagine it will be difficult to fire a living legend.

    • NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      Ditto. I’m leery of an inexperienced manager. I understand Rizzo’s problem with Davey, but he went to the opposite extreme and that didn’t work either.

      • Joe Seamhead - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:45 PM

        In 2011 when Jim Riggleman walked out Davey Johnson was the perfect guy for the job and Rizzo, the team and the fans were lucky to have had him.

      • Joe Seamhead - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:49 PM

        I don’t get how “it didn’t work either.” Nobody, except a very few thought the Nats would go to the playoffs in 2012. Go back and look at Mark’s pre-season picks. I doubt there was any other manager available that would have taken the Nats as far as Davey did in 2012. Not to mention he brought an air of expectation of winning to this franchise.

      • NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:49 PM

        Absolutely agree Davey was great in 2012. However, he checked out in the second half of 2013 when things weren’t going the Nats way.

      • jd - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:57 PM

        Joe,

        Davey was absolutely great until age ans a bad back made it no longer fun to get through the grind. He had the logical mind and people sense that MW doesn’t.

        NL

        I have absolutely no problem with a young inexperienced manager as long as he possess the skill set for the job. I don’t want someone who does things because ‘that’s how it’s always been done’. I want someone open to innovation and understands today’s players. MW was inexperienced and out of touch and that’s a bad combination.

      • Joe Seamhead - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:10 PM

        I would love to get Davey’s candid take on the whole Papelbon fiasco.

      • Joe Seamhead - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:33 PM

        Also, as to 2013, Davey wasn’t consulted at all about Rafael Soriano and was blind-sided with the news when he got off the plane returning from a trip to southern Africa. Then there was no LH reliever to replace Sean Burnette. HRod wasn’t all Davey’s fault, either. Then the baby Drew Storen couldn’t deal with the role that he was assigned, the knucklehead Mattheus lost a fight with his locker, Wilson went down again, Ryan’s shoulder went out, Werth missed most of the season after breaking his wrist, ALR mysteriously lost about 35 lbs, Desi went down around the All-Star game, Danny Espinosa turned into a total disaster, Bryce Harper ran into the wall twice, and I can’t even remember all of the starting pitcher problems. Combine that with Davey’s age, health, and lack of motivation and ’13 was a wasted year. No question that it was time for Johnson to go play golf, but we were lucky to have him for the interim period.

  6. NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:20 PM

    Must be weird to read about your future in the press, although unless Matty’s totally oblivious he’s been expecting it. Of course, he HAS been totally oblivious, which is part of the problem. I don’t see him as a broadcaster (if you watched the video of his wife on some home decorating show, you can see the camera doesn’t favor him) so if he wants to rehab his career he’ll wait out a year and then latch on as a third base or bench coach. He’s got enough money to play golf, so we’ll see.

    The Marlins are interviewing Manny Acta and Bo Porter.

    • ArVAFan - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM

      I think his coaching skills well exceed his management skills. If he doesn’t just want to golf, just having watched him a bit with Bryce, Danny, Difo & Turner, I could see him as an effective coach for individual players. He can focus on one person at a time.

      But I don’t see him as a bench coach–how’s that going to work if he doesn’t communicate well in a team setting?

      And I’ve been in that dugout–it ain’t that big.

    • Joe Seamhead - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM

      Arizona folks will tell you that he was a terrible 3rd base coach. Remember your own words last week, “he’s a slow thinker.” That applied to managing and 3B coaching, imho.

  7. Section 222 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Bring back Manny!

    On second thought….. don’t.

    • philipd763 - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:25 PM

      Manny Acta is available and has been interviewed be the Marlins. He’s worse than MW.

      • Section 222 - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:27 PM

        You’re not very familiar with sarcasm, are you philip?

      • ArVAFan - Oct 2, 2015 at 10:38 PM

        I think that says more about the Marlins than Manny Acta.

  8. bc4314 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    Go read Svrluga’s chat on the Post’s website. He said the Post originally intended to publish his series after the season was over (as in no more games) but decided to move it up when the Nats were eliminated from playoff contention. Sounds like it rubbed some of the folks he interviewed the wrong way because they thought it would come out until the season was over. Interesting dynamic.

    • sec112 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:52 PM

      I may be reading into it, but it seemed to me that maybe some players didn’t want to be viewed as taking a position on whether MW should be fired before management made the decision. So – OK to give context after it happened, but not OK to appear to have contributed. Which makes sense. Would you want to take the job knowing that the players helped get the last guy fired?

      • natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM

        That’s a good point, sec112. The timing of publishing bothered me. Could they not have waited until the season was over, and Bryce’s title hunt had ended? It could give the impression that the Post was trying to force the issue, and Matt was on borrowed time, anyway. It sounded like there was some miscommunication within the paper, and that Svrluga didn’t intend for it to come out when it did.

    • natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:00 PM

      Oh, it was bc on the original point of timing. Oops. To sec112’s point, I took Svrluga’s point to be that’s why some of the players wanted to have anonymity, so as not to be seen as undermining their manager, although it also sounded as though players, and Barry, didn’t expect it come out when it did. I’m not crazy about anonymous sources, and it sounded like Barry isn’t either, but evidently that’s the only way some of them would agree to working with him. As well, I know Svrluga cautioned readers about guessing games, but I can’t help wondering about which player said what without attribution.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Oct 3, 2015 at 12:08 AM

        The former Blogfather also wrote, in the same response, that he regretted the timing, among other things, about that series of articles.

      • natsfan1a - Oct 3, 2015 at 7:39 AM

        Right, as noted, he didn’t intend for it to come out when it did. Kinda ironic that it was published sooner than intended due to a miscommunication, and this at a place that is in the business of communication. Heh.

  9. Guapo - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    If Desmond is in the lineup again I’m going to lose my mind.

    He’s stealing reps from Turner at SS and the Nats org gains nothing from having him out there.

    • bc4314 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:46 PM

      I think the Nats’ view on this is that Desmond has been en exemplary employee during his tenure and he’ll play if he wants to play. Rizzo has said that Turner has played plenty this year in the minors and a handful more at bats doesn’t mean a whole lot at this point.

      • Guapo - Oct 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM

        That’s not the approach of a team interested in winning a championship in the future. It’s a business, just in the same way it was a business when Desmond declined a very, very generous offer from the Nats for an extension. It’s not about the ABs for Turner. He can hit at the MLB level. It’s about the IF reps, that’s what he needs. That’s what this team needs.

    • NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM

      Desi is playing as a courtesy to get his 20th homer. I don’t have a problem with that, there will be plenty of time for Turner (who has to go back to Syracuse for April anyway).

      • jd - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:52 PM

        Absolutely. At this point I don’t think Turner is gaining that much valuable experience. This is September baseball which after the races have been settled is just garbage time.

      • sec112 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:53 PM

        +20

      • senators5 - Oct 2, 2015 at 7:04 PM

        I agree. I was one of the ones screaming to have Turner brought up to the Nats so he could see for himself what the “show” was all about…and see he certainly did, especially the craziness and alter egos of over paid athletes. Turner should be returned to Syracuse at least until the All Star break to work on his hitting and most importantly bulking up so he can endure the long haul ahead of him next year and beyond.

      • Guapo - Oct 3, 2015 at 11:07 AM

        and 200th strikeout.

  10. langleyclub - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    MW had no MLB managing experience, and he crashed and burned. Cal Ripken doesn’t even have MLB coaching experience. I would tread very carefully. Cal was a great player and is a great ambassador of the game, but that doesn’t necessarily make a great manager.

    FWIW, I heard many stories about Cal being aloof as a teammate, which included insisting upon staying in different hotels than his teammates on the road when he was a player (which was unheard of even for superstars), and included putting his streak ahead of the team at times.

    I’m sure Cal Ripken would win the press conference, and it would be all wine and roses on Opening Day, but managing a baseball team for a season is a mental grind that requires a variety of different skills. I would be wary of hiring a guy, who never chose to coach during his first decade of retirement, suddenly getting the itch to manage because he is bored.

    Like everyone else, Cal should coach first, and maybe even manage a minor league team, before becoming a manager.

    • virginiascopist - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM

      Agree. I tend to think we’ll end up with someone with managing experience. Personally, I’m leaning to Bud Black.

    • npb99 - Oct 2, 2015 at 7:30 PM

      Minority view here, but the whole streak thing was all about Ripken’s ego too. Don’t tell me the team benefited from him playing every day, no matter what. Just about any player, and especially an aging player, benefits from taking a day off here and there to stay fresh. No such thing with Ripken, he had to slog on to break an individual record.

  11. jd - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    The guy that I would be interested in is LoVulo who is currently managing the Red Sox (very successfully I might add) on an interim basis.

    • bc4314 - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:55 PM

      Why is he interesting to you, JD? What qualities besides a successful track record make for a good manager? I’m genuinely asking because I imagine it’s tough to hire a good skipper.

    • NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:19 PM

      I was thinking exactly the same. Lots of positive reviews on him and he’s blocked because they’ve guaranteed Farrell his job back.

  12. jd - Oct 2, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    I read an interview with him and he seems to get it. He is very open to using data for his advantage and is not afraid to innovate. I am also impressed in how the Red Sox have been playing lately.

  13. jd - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    The guys people are mentioning have long and mediocre track records. Black has had 2 winning seasons in 9 as the Padres manager. Gardenhire’s Twins had losing records the last 4 years he was there.

    I don’t understand why we think these are the guys to take us to the promised land?

    • NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:21 PM

      Bud Black had terrible, low-budget teams. So there’s that. On the other hand, new management couldn’t fire him fast enough when they did come in and spend money (not wisely, BTW). You wonder if it was a matter of a young GM not liking an old-school manager, or an old-school manager expressing doubt regarding the moves the front office made.

    • NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:23 PM

      I don’t know that much about Gardenhire, except he was there a long time, you never heard any scandals about the Twins, and he left graciously, agreeing it was time for a “new voice.” The Twins have way overachieved, so it seems he was right.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Oct 3, 2015 at 12:13 AM

      Well, it stands to reason. If you ask someone “Who should manage?” they are going to think of people who are known to them, and they aren’t as likely to mention longshot names, because it’s hard to make a case for Crash Davis managing the Nats at this point, and all the obviously good choices are already working.

  14. NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:18 PM

    All the games are free tonight on MLB.tv if you are so inclined. I’ll check out Rangers-Angels, probably. I have a soft spot for the Rangers–at the trade deadline they had a 5% chance of making the playoffs, they traded for Cole Hamels, they’ve endured a lot of adversity, so I’m sort of rooting for them. I’m also sort of rooting for the Angels, whose management is even more dysfunctional than the Nats’ and who are having trouble hiring a new GM because of an interfering owner (and the last one quit for that reason, and found a job ipso-prompto!).

    • natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:05 PM

      The Rangers-Angels game is supposed to be on ESPN as well, but too late for me. I’m going team Cubbies in my postseason rooting, in solidarity with Chicago friends and relatives. 🙂

    • faridrushdi - Oct 2, 2015 at 8:53 PM

      Not me. I’m of the age that when I see the Rangers play I think of my Washington Senators and that evil “Rot in Hell” Bob Short.

      • senators5 - Oct 3, 2015 at 12:15 AM

        me too…too many times

  15. NatsLady - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:25 PM

    Rumor has it the Yankees could fire Girardi if the team doesn’t go far in the playoffs. Apparently he is not much loved by the NY fandom.

    • jd - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:32 PM

      You gotta be kidding me. Girardi is a great manager and living in the NY area I hear him interviewed a lot. He definitely gets it.

      That’s someone who will get a job in 5 minutes if the Yankees let him go.

    • virginiascopist - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:37 PM

      If that does happen, I would love to get him.

      • bc4314 - Oct 2, 2015 at 5:48 PM

        Here’s a more recent article:

        http://empirewritesback.com/2015/10/01/new-york-yankees-playoff-run-bust-joe-girardi/

        I’ll be shocked if they let him go.

      • knoxvillenat - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:11 PM

        Girardi already turned the Nats down once before.

      • ArVAFan - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:16 PM

        Are you sure? Read this quote from that article:

        “Another gripe I have about Girardi that I have noticed this year is his management of the bullpen. Despite some giving him rave reviews of his management style, I haven’t seen more head scratching bullpen decisions in a very long time. Numerous times this year I have seen him burn both Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances in the same game that the Yankees have had a huge lead in, are tied, or down by too many runs to make a comeback.”

        Ouch.

      • natsfan1a - Oct 2, 2015 at 7:03 PM

        Yep, in 2006 both Piniella and Girardi were no-go for the Nats.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Oct 3, 2015 at 12:16 AM

      The fans hire and fire there?

  16. JayB - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Black or Ron G….both would be great….do not need to be a Hall of Famer with that talent….just can not be a complete dope like MW

  17. JayB - Oct 2, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    That whole you do not know all the facts crap is just why his team hates him……just making it up

  18. Sonny G 10 - Oct 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    What do you people think about Randy Knorr as the next manager. I thought I would like to see him get a shot, but maybe we do need a more experience manager. Does anyone have any cons re Knorr other than experience?

  19. JayB - Oct 2, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    Knoor has a ton of minor league manger experience…..again they do not need a super star like Madden…they need someone who is competent and will not f’it up

    • Sonny G 10 - Oct 2, 2015 at 7:58 PM

      Randy was also a catcher as a player, so he should be better at managing a bullpen, I would think.

      • legnatsfan - Oct 2, 2015 at 10:12 PM

        I’ve been a fan of Randy’s ever since he pulled Soriano in 2013 when he took over for Davey when he was ejected.

  20. knoxvillenat - Oct 2, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    Let me ask a question as I play devil’s advocate, why would a catcher have a better handle on the bullpen than say a former pitcher?

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Oct 2, 2015 at 8:36 PM

      Because catchers have to assess a pitcher’s effectiveness all the time; whereas a pitcher has to believe he can get outs, no matter what, so denial is their coping mechanism.

      • senators5 - Oct 3, 2015 at 12:20 AM

        Perhaps unrelated to the question re: catchers,but 16 of the current managers were at one time or another in their baseball careers a catcher

  21. legnatsfan - Oct 2, 2015 at 10:14 PM

    I Cubs announcers were talking about Dave Martinez, their bench coach, being a candidate for a manager position. Does anyone have an opinion about him?

  22. thelatencn - Oct 3, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Speaking of the Cubs, what about Rick Renteria?

  23. unkyd59 - Oct 3, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    I’d be cool with Knorr. The front office knows who he is, and if Rizzo likes him, that’s fine with me… He managed in the minors, and know the players very well. I’ve never heard even a rumor that anybody had a problem with him. I think that familiarity would go a long way toward fostering an instant respect and trust in the clubhouse. +1 on value of a former catcher making the calls on pitching strategy, as well. Just say no to Cal….

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