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Around the NL East: Harvey situation takes another turn

Sep 22, 2015, 11:03 AM EDT

New York Mets starting pitcher Matt Harvey delivers in a baseball game against the New York Yankees in New York, Sunday, Sept. 20, 2015. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)


We keep going back to Shelby Miller in this space every week, but it’s a truly bizarre storyline that continues to perplex. After dropping another decision Monday night vs. the Mets, Miller has now lost his last seven starts and is 5-16 (!) on the season despite owning a solid 3.00 ERA. There’s unlucky, there’s really unlucky, and then there’s the season that he’s been having. So it should come as no surprise that Miller’s average run support of 2.45 per start is the worst in baseball. Yikes.


The Marlins were hoping to catch a glimpse of a healthy Giancarlo Stanton before the season concludes. But word is that his return from wrist surgery has been delayed due to an ‘abnormal amount‘ of scar tissue. When he’s right, there’s no question that Stanton is an MVP candidate. However, you have to wonder if Miami is a little worried that its highest paid player only appeared in 74 games the season after signing a $300 million contract. He hasn’t had chronic health issues in the past, so the Marlins have to hope 2015 is an aberration.


The stretch run is upon us, and the Mets magic number is down to just 7. At this point, it would take a collapse of epic proportions to keep the Amazins from clinching their first division title since 2006.

That’s the good news. The bad news is that this Matt Harvey saga is clearly taking a toll on manager Terry Collins, especially after what happened over the weekend. With the 26-year-old right hander dominating the Yankees over five shutout innings, Collins was forced to take him out of the game because of that dreaded innings limit. And of course, the decision came back to bite the Mets immediately. The Bronx Bombers scored 11 runs off New York’s bullpen over the next three innings, which sent the Citi Field crowd fleeing the stadium in disgust well before the game was over. As you can imagine, the skipper wasn’t thrilled that he was essentially coerced to take his starter out of the game due of forces outside of his control. But if he’s frustrated by it now, imagine if this scenario pops up in October.


With Ruben Amaro Jr. out as GM, what are the Phillies’ plans for the manager? The latest reports suggest that the they’re considering bringing back Pete Mackanin in 2016, which isn’t entirely surprising because Philly has indeed played better since Ryne Sandberg was let go. Not only that, but team president Andy MacPhail has a history of giving interim managers a shot to prove themselves. When he was with the Orioles, MacPhail allowed then interim skipper Dave Trembley to stay on for two-plus seasons before hiring Buck Showalter.

  1. Eugene in Oregon - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Anyone else note the irony that, in his continuing saga, Matt Harvey has a great game against the Yankees and the Mets lose, but he has a terrible game against the Nats and the Mets win?

    • nats106 - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:39 AM

      I see no irony in that, only pain.

  2. hokiepokster92 - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Mets went all in for this year with all of the deadline moves but it may be all for naught because they won’t have their studs pitching. I love it!

  3. Doc - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    Harvey’s situation with the Metsies—it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of retreads.

    Shelby Miller is a pitching stud. Look for a bunch of teams to go after him this winter.

  4. Section 222 - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:57 PM

    Schadenfreude is very sweet in the case of this Harvey “situation.” It won’t be sweet, but it will be well deserved if he reinjures his elbow, or pitches badly in the playoffs. I continue to believe that Rizzo/Boras were right to do what they did with Stras, and that the constantly evolving “plan” for Harvey is a joke. He’s now at 176.2 for the season. What are they going to do, pitch him for 3 and a third innings his next time out? Save him for the playoffs and let him go?

    If they were my team, I’d be horrified.

    • NatsLady - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM

      I did hear (somewhere) that they could do something like that, a three-inning outing to keep him “fresh” and then maybe another three innings the last game of the regular season (against the Nats). That would put him just over 180 for the season and you have to assume he (and they) would balance the risk to his arm to the “flags fly forever” chance in the postseason. However, from his point of view, he only has one arm–which has not yet made him a fortune–and the Mets have many seasons…

      • jd - Sep 22, 2015 at 2:27 PM

        Well. We know how Boras feels about this.

    • soonernat - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:41 PM


    • Section 222 - Sep 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM

      Dumb? Maybe. I’ll bet it’s a majority view here though. Irresponsible? That assumes that my opinion has any impact on those who are making these decisions. Which of course it doesn’t. Neither does yours of course. And at least I don’t sprinkle obscenities in my comments to sound what? Tough? Cool? Manly? Intimidating? You’re none of the above, as far as I’m concerned. Just coarse and rude. Congratulations.

      Furthermore, I think you’re just wrong on the facts — we certainly know more than we did in 2010 because we’ve seen more surgeries and more recoveries. And the medical experts who the teams and Boras consult know even more of course. You don’t think the science on this has evolved in the past five years? Of course it has. That doesn’t mean there is certainly, but do they know more? Absolutely.

      I’m also not sure where you’re getting your info that Alderson is prepared to blow past the 180 inning cap. Certainly if the cap was irrelevant, Harvey would have pitched more than 5 innings in a big game against the Yankees the other night. But feel free to share a link to a report that supports your assertions.

      It seems that insults mean more to you than facts, so I’m sure you don’t care what I or anyone else still commenting on this board despite unpleasant personal attacks like you just made thinks.

  5. Candide - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:22 PM

    I had a pair of tickets for Wednesday against Baltimore dropped into my lap by a friend who can’t go because it’s Yom Kippur. Cunegonde can’t go, told me to try to scare up someone else. None of my usual suspects can make it.

    So anyone want to join me in section 109 Wednesday night? Drop me a line at gilbertbpatcomcastdotnet (you figure out the punctuation…). No charge – my friend just wants me to bring a Nats win home for her.

    • ArVAFan - Sep 22, 2015 at 4:05 PM

      Sorry: I’ll be with my rowdy friends in 313. But I did score a ridiculously low priced seat for tonight–close enough that if I end up yelling “FOCUS, GIO!” he might actually hear me.

  6. therealjohnc - Sep 22, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    [Stanton] hasn’t had chronic health issues in the past, so the Marlins have to hope 2015 is an aberration.

    Wait, Daniel – what? Stanton’s career is full of health issues – his 2015 is only different in a matter of degree. He’s always getting hurt. This is his 6th season in the major leagues, and he has played more than 123 games only twice. That means that in a typical season Stanton misses 6-7 weeks due to injury. And this has been for his age 20-25 seasons! There are those that call Ryan Zimmerman injury prone, but in his first five full seasons in the big leagues (ages 21-25) he only played fewer than 142 games once.





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