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Mets’ plan for Harvey may only include starts vs. Nats

Sep 7, 2015, 12:22 PM EDT


The soap opera involving the Mets, Matt Harvey, Scott Boras and post-Tommy John surgery innings restrictions took another turn Monday morning when New York general manager Sandy Alderson suggested his young ace might only make two more starts this month and would only face the Nationals during the season’s final weekend if the game still matters.

Harvey, in his first season back from elbow ligament surgery, is fast approaching the 180-inning limit reportedly prescribed to him by orthopedist James Andrews and made public over the weekend by Boras. Sitting at 166 1/3 innings entering Tuesday night’s showdown at Nationals Park, Harvey probably is good for only one more start after this appearance.

Alderson suggested as much during a session with reporters in the visitors’ dugout prior to Monday’s game, saying Harvey could be skipped over multiple times down the stretch and might not pitch at all between the two series against the Nationals.

“He’s going to pitch tomorrow, and we have talked about him pitching one of the last games of the season against Washington, if that game is meaningful,” Alderson said. “So if you count that as part of the regular season, you come up with one number. If you count that as a ‘quote’ playoff game — because that’s really what it is at that point — then it’s a little bit different. At this point, I don’t expect him to make four starts in the regular season.”

Alderson also wouldn’t commit to any postseason plan for Harvey, if they make it to October, saying that would depend on how the right-hander feels at that point.

“How he’s used in the postseason is really going to be a function of how he’s gotten through six months of the regular season,” the GM said. “I can’t sit here and say he’s going to be available through the entire playoffs, because we don’t know how he will feel and what all of the considerations are at that time. That’s the position we’ve always had. When we get there, we’ll figure it out.

“Matt has always said he wants to pitch in the playoffs. I absolutely believe that he has meant that every time he has said that. At the same time, we have said we want him available in the playoffs. But how exactly that gets executed, I think, is a function of the circumstances as we get closer, assuming that it’s even a possibility to get there.”

  1. GNat - Sep 7, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    These guys are idiots. Whose hands would you put your future livelyhood into. Someone who has had a rehab plan all season? Or the guys up the road figuring it out as they go? Can you imagine how the media would been here in Washington if it had been handled the way the Mets are doing this? Way bigger circus than when Stras was shut down. Mike Rizzo showed some real guts and character by watching out for the players future. Time will tell but what if what the Mets are doing doesn’t work? How’s former Brave Chris Medlin doing these days?

    • adcwonk - Sep 7, 2015 at 1:31 PM

      These guys are idiots.

      Indeed they are.

      1. They should have seen this coming a whole year ago!. And just now they’re scrambling about what to do?

      2. What’s Harvey going to do during the time he’s skipping starts? Sitting on hit b%tt? No — he’s needs to have bullpen sessions, etc. Does everybody think that those pitches don’t count? Like it only counts if he throws in an actual game, otherwise his elbow doesn’t notice it?!?

      For those who, unbelievably, are still criticizing the Nats over Stras-2012, take a good look at NY and tell me the Mets are doing it better than the Nats are.

      Literally unreal!

  2. Tim Harrison - Sep 7, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    Why is there no talk of having him start pitching later in the season, like they reemed Rizzo over?

    Yes, they are in first place, but they are talking as if the playoffs are a forgone conclusion. Whoever is in second place will not make the playoffs.

    Also, there’s a good chance that reining Harvey in over the last month will affect his sharpness when he does pitch.

    • Elkton Manny - Sep 7, 2015 at 1:37 PM

      Botas, Harvey, and Andrews were against it.

      • tcostant - Sep 7, 2015 at 9:47 PM

        How fitting it would be, if he got shelled in NY, by the Nats because ofbthe schedule and the Nats win the division by one game.

  3. stoatva - Sep 7, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    At the game I’m seeing a certain number of Mets fans with Harvey jerseys.

    “Hey, shouldn’t that be hanging out to dry?”

  4. Doc - Sep 7, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Considering how a pitcher needs to be on a regular schedule, Alderson & Co. are talking nonsense.

    As to subjective innings count, I would only echo that it should really be a total pitch count–however the ortho guys can figure that out..

  5. Eugene in Oregon - Sep 7, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    “When we get there, we’ll figure it out.”
    While there are times — throughout life, not just in baseball — where you have to improvise, you try to minimize those situations. Maybe the Mets did better this year than Sandy Alderson ever anticipated, but not having plans in place speaks to a lack of preparation and long-term vision.

    • Elkton Manny - Sep 7, 2015 at 1:39 PM

      There was a plan in place from the beginning of the year. The issue is that Boras changed it on 9/1.

      • Eugene in Oregon - Sep 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM

        Maybe you know something I don’t, but my read was that Scott Boras stepped in when it became clear that the plan was to ‘play it by ear’.

      • Elkton Manny - Sep 7, 2015 at 3:39 PM

        Read the mets blogs. The fanbase and press that hates everything about their management is nearly 100% behind them on this. Harvey wanted to pitch last year, and the mets didnt let him. They santed to start him late and he and boras complained about not starting openning day, they skipped him in the rotation and ent to a 6 man kind of and he complained, and in mid-august he said he was pitching in the playoffs with all the while Boras saying how great the team was managing things. Boras was on board in spring training about 180 being a loose target to be modified during the season. After an august with an ERA of 0.3& all of a sudden Boras, and Harvey, say it’s a hard 180 innings. And today its a hard 180 but he can pitch in the playoffs maybe, yesterday harvey said he was pitching in the playoffs. This is all Boras and Harvey looking for money or Boras getting even with the mets over gomez. Its bs. Granted its the mets nightmare, but who next? This isnt good for baseball. Look at stras and look at wainwright.
        Someone needs to.put boras in his place..

      • natsjackinfl - Sep 7, 2015 at 4:47 PM

        If I didn’t know any better, I’d think I am Elkton Manny because he has nailed it.

  6. fpa4356 - Sep 7, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Maybe I’m the contrarian here, but it appears to me that the Boras position has been consistent. This isn’t a Boras problem, it’s a Harvey problem. His tough talk last year and earlier this season assumed that the Mets had no shot at the playoffs. August/Cespedes made the playoffs not only a possibility but a probability, that’s why Boras/Harvey reminded everybody that he was working on a 180 limit. When Alderson/Collins started to say publicly that for all intents and purposes there was no limit because it was only a “soft” limit, Boras/Harvey came out and said, “No guys, remember, 180 means 180”. And Harvey is still saying it. Now, even Alderson is saying it : the last series IS the playoffs !

    Harvey is going to pitch 180-185, and that’s all.

    Boras is not the bad guy, he’s just the bad guy in Harvey’s good guy / bad guy routine.

  7. sunshinebobby - Sep 7, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    “Matt has always said he wants to pitch in the playoffs. I absolutely believe that he has meant that every time he has said that. At the same time, we have said we want him available in the playoffs. But how exactly that gets executed, I think, is a function of the circumstances as we get closer, assuming that it’s even a possibility to get there.”

    Translation: “You’ve got Scott Boras’s cell number. Call him. You think I have anything to do with running this team any more?”

  8. drazthegr8 - Sep 7, 2015 at 11:13 PM

    The truth is the Mets never expected to make the playoffs this year. That’s why things are changing.





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