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Game 131: Nats at Cardinals

Sep 1, 2015, 4:35 PM EDT

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Last night was among the Nationals’ most-agonizing losses of the season, but there’s another game to be played tonight. And so they will take the field at Busch Stadium, hoping to snap an 8-game losing streak there that dates all the way back to Game 1 of the 2012 NLDS.

It’s an intriguing pitching matchup tonight, with two young hurlers facing the opposition for the first time in their respective careers: Joe Ross vs. the Cardinals and lefty Marco Gonzales (filling in for an injured Carlos Martinez) vs. the Nats. Matt Williams is going with his regular lineup, which means no Danny Espinosa.

Enjoy the game and the conversation…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at ST. LOUIS CARDINALS
Where: Busch Stadium, St. Louis
Gametime: 8:15 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: 106.7 FM, 1500 AM, XM 187/869
Weather: Partly cloudy, 87 degrees, Wind 5 mph out to LF

NATIONALS (66-64)
LF Jayson Werth
2B Anthony Rendon
RF Bryce Harper
1B Ryan Zimmerman
3B Yunel Escobar
SS Ian Desmond
C Wilson Ramos
CF Michael Taylor
RHP Joe Ross

CARDINALS (85-46)
3B Matt Carpenter
RF Stephen Piscotty
SS Jhonny Peralta
CF Jason Heyward
C Yadier Molina
2B Kolten Wong
1B Mark Reynolds
LF Brandon Moss
LHP Marco Gonzales

UMPIRES
HP John Hirschbeck (cc)
1B John Tumpane
2B James Hoye
3B Bill Welke

168 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. micksback1 - Sep 1, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    I am very frustraed right now. I was excited after Zim’s 3 run homer and I felt Gio did his best and gave the team a chance to win.

    Cards manager makes a RARE, and clear mistake by not taking out his lefty facing Zim or not walking Zim and facing MR. Groundball hitting Escobar.

    But alas…. not to be out done, MW tops the Cards manger in incompetence and exceeds anything he did in the department of being a horrible manager. MW has NO feel for his pitchers’ his team and there is no doubt in my mind that this arrogant BUM is the worst manger this team has had PERIOD since 2005.

    Yes Acta had issues, but, he had ZERO talent and had to deal with clowns and losers like Morgan and Dukes ad he had NO PITCHING!!! Riggleman at least got the team over 500 before he resigned.

    This clown, and loser of a manger who is so arrogant in the post game has destroyed this team and season.

    BTW: Jansen is a bum and a loser and the door can not hit his ass faster on the way out!!

    I know Rizzzo can not fire anyone now. But, Mike, if you let this clown comeback, you risk alienating a great fan base who loves this team for years. Please get rid of this arrogant and dishonest idiot after the season, PLEASE Mike, I am begging you!!!

    • nats106 - Sep 1, 2015 at 4:54 PM

      Yes, correct

    • sec112 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:16 PM

      I probably should know better to ask, but I am really curious. What was the blinder Matt Williams made with his pitching staff? I think he made a mistake in not putting in defensive replacements. But, bearing in mind that Rivero was ineffective when he came in, and Thornton has been unreliable, and Storen has been a crap shoot lately – what was the better option he had? And please don’t lambaste me for asking. I’m as upset about last night as you are, in just trying to figure out if MW is really the culprit and if so what should have been done instead.

      • jfmii - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:29 PM

        Yes, sec112, last night, MW’s big, and I mean big, blunder was not replacing Werth, and I think Escobar, after Zim’s homer in the top of the 7th.

      • Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:36 PM

        I think this is a perfectly legitimate question. The bullpen’s not big enough to play matchup with every batter. And because most managers are smart enough not to put their LH batters together in the lineup, if you bring in a lefty to face more than one batter, he’s going to face at least one RH hitter. That you want to avoid unless your lefty is someone like Siegrist. Or Aroldis Chapman or Andrew Miller.

        Last night, some were complaining about MW not bringing in a lefty to face Carpenter. I don’t agree with that. If Rivero (or Thornton) doesn’t get Carpenter out, he’s going to have to face two RH hitters, Piscotty and Peralta, before Heyward comes up. That would not be good. So you’ll have to use both of your lefties in that inning and have no one left for the 8th when Moss is due up.

        But most of the concern I think comes with MW’s decision to leave Janssen in the game after he had given up a walk and three hits. He clearly didn’t have it last night. His breaking pitches were not fooling anyone and he didn’t have the pinpoint command he relies on. I’d argue that it would have been worth bringing in Treinen after he walked Carpenter, but at least after Piscotty’s hit, he should have been replaced rather than letting him pitch to the dangerous Peralta.

        The fact that Rivero and Thornton haven’t always been lights out is irrelevant. You have to have faith in your relievers ability, and even if you’re worried about that, they at least MIGHT be good that night, which you know already that Janssen isn’t.

      • sec112 - Sep 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM

        Seems fair 222. I do think that Piscotty and Peralta both hit good pitches – but I also tend to think Janssen is a risky pitcher against a lineup like the Cardinals. I guess when it’s not working at some point you should try something different. It’s just that with the matchups involved, it wasn’t as much of a nio-brainer as some people seem to be implying.

        Escobar not having a red light on 3-0 last week – THAT was a no-brainer!

      • micksback1 - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:13 PM

        fair question and my answer is:

        1) It was clear Janssen did not have it even before it was 5-4 and the fact that MW did not recognize this is why it is clear he has no fell for his pitchers. Why not Thornton? Why not Treinen who was up and throwing in the 6th inning???

        Rivero facing a righty may not have been a bad idea at all considering he has done well. In fact, you mention the obvious blunder of Werth in Left and perhaps a better outfielder makes that catch off the Rivero hit. Rivero maybe coming in at 5-3 or even 5-4 presents a different mind set as well. I will stand by my criticism of MW’s move to keep Jansen in til the cows come home

    • Another_Sam - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:28 PM

      Two run lead in the seventh at a time of the year when any game can be an elimination game, I want to see it all: quick hooks, plenty of defensive replacements, double switches, and every trick in the book. Please. Up by two in the 7th – you gotta go defensive. Please.

      This is unsolicited advice from the armchair.

  2. micksback1 - Sep 1, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    Two things are absolute in this town:

    1) RG3 had no business being a starting QB for the DC team. It took the owner 2 years to figure that out

    2) MW has no business coming back in 2016, please do not let it be another year to figure out what everyone already knows

    • nats106 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:00 PM

      Yes, correct again. but unfortunately, back he will be. I went to one of the St Louis threads trying to figure out what was going on with Matheny, Lilliquist, Choate and their BP Coach. Nothing there, but they were grateful that
      1) We suck (their words, not mine, although I can’t disagree)
      2) That in the chess game of management, Williams was able to out blunder Matheny. Apparently they don’t think highly of him, but if they got a couple of weeks of MW, they’d see what a really bad manager can screw up.

      It’s painful to read those things-they refer to my team as the Natinals (continuing to make fun of that awful uniform blunder) and have smug satisfaction over this teams struggles and the excuses of injuries.

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:13 PM

        Cards fans are the worst–and Mets fans are getting there.

      • micksback1 - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:17 PM

        “Williams was able to out blunder Matheny” that is the most astute post and herin why MW should not be the manager in 2016. Does anyone honestly believe MW can out maneuver even the bottom half dozen managers in the league?

  3. alexva6 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    just win (and again tomorrow) baby!

  4. Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Everyone is so certain that Matheny made a mistake by leaving Siegrist in to face Zim. What they forget, or don’t know, is that Siegrist has been one of the best setup guys in baseball this year, and also has five saves when Rosenthal was unavailble. Yes, he’s a lefty, but he’s by no means a LOOGY. He pitches full innings regularly. He’s done that in 48 out of his league leading 66 appearances. He has a 2.23 ERA and a 1.137 WHIP. He’s a very good pitcher, and there were two outs in the inning.

    So it was no surprise that Matheny left him in, and certainly not an obvious mistake, except in retrospect. (Of course, the Cards aren’t fighting for their lives so that might have had an impact on his decisionmaking, and it certainly bears on whether his choice was a mistake.)

    • nats106 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:24 PM

      222, something was going on there with Siegrist still in the game. Matheny clearly wanted Choate to come in and pitch to Harper, and I’m speculating that plan B was to put Harper on since Choate didn’t seem to be ready. So I’m not so certain that it was a mistake also, but clearly it wasn’t the matchup he was looking for which then resulted in Siegrist vs Zimmermann.

      I agree Siegrist has been very good, but I also believe that Matheny works hard at putting players in situations where they can be successful, not just plugging them in anywhere. I have no statistical or situational support in my assumption, just observations I’ve made while watching the Cards play. They are, after all, my “team before the Nationals existed”

      • Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:28 PM

        Maybe so. But why you would bring in a different lefty to face Harper, I’m not sure. In any event, Siegrist has faced legions of RH hitters this year and done very well. I’m sure Matheny pays attention to who is coming batting, which is probably why Siegrist pitched the seventh with Harper coming up rather than the 8th, where Cischek was ready to face out RH heavy bottom of the order. I was just responding to the idea, expressed by mick here, but also by many people last night, that Matheny made a big mistake by letting him pitch to Zim.

      • jfmii - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:33 PM

        Yes, 222, and those “many people last night” included Ray and Bob in the TV booth

      • Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:41 PM

        They did, and they were clueless and uninformed. Bob was acting as if Siegrist is a LOOGY. He just couldn’t believe that a lefty would be left in to face Zim. He didn’t do his homework on the the Cards’ pitching staff. Plus, Siegrist had struck out Werth and got Rendon to fly out. I know Zim is hot, but if Matheny trusts Siegrist to face Werth and Rendon, why would he replace him for Zim?

      • nats106 - Sep 1, 2015 at 5:56 PM

        Yeah, I’ll question a guy who hasn’t won a playoffs anytime, but I’ve got to believe Matheny knows what he’s doing-certainly better than I do. It was an interesting game within the game in my opinion.

  5. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    This is why I say over and over that no matter how “stupid” Matt Williams’ moves look to outsiders we REALLY don’t know what is going on in the clubhouse.
    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/01/theres-a-chicken-pox-outbreak-in-the-royals-clubhouse-and-multiple-players-are-infected/

  6. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    Well, well, well, Phils are roughing up Niese. Now, can Harang hold the lead?

  7. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    • oldtownatsfan - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:42 PM

      Really tough for Barrett, and the Nats. He’s been inconsistent, but he’s still young and when his breaking ball is sharp it’s pure filth. I was really looking forward to seeing him perhaps take another step forward next season.

  8. Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM

    Ray K. is crazy. Ramos was so dead to rights on that play it wouldn’t have been funny. And would risk pulling a hammy too. Bad move not to run right out of the box, but good move not to make a sure third out.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:42 PM

      Agree. Meanwhile, Phils are doing their best to give it back to the Mets. It was 6-0, now 6-4.

  9. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    Mm can’t count on the Phillies for anything these days except making the mets Twitter feed blow up with whining and then gloating

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:43 PM

      I have unfollowed almost all the Mets fans I knew of, but stuff keeps getting into my timeline via retweets. Grrrr.

      • Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:12 PM

        Now that it’s 13-4, it might be fun to follow them again. 😉

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:53 PM

      Yes, but you can count on Bobby Parnell. Walks the first two batters, then when the Phils try to make an out via a bunt, Parnell throws it away. 7-4.

  10. kgwcoach - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Yeah baby

  11. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Atta boy, TTB.

  12. veejh - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:04 PM

    Textbook baseball right there. Well done.

  13. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:05 PM

    FOF!

  14. catcher50 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    Great HR from Zim, but did they need to show the butt crack of the guy who leaned over to get the ball in the batter’s eye? Someone call the FCC.

    • npb99 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:32 PM

      LOL!

  15. stoatva - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:17 PM

    To repeat what I said to JayB this morning this team has many, many problems but to date “quit” is not one of them.

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:27 PM

      Can’t watch – is Joe struggling? Looks like he’s barely catching the zone but getting through it for now

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:33 PM

        Might have spoken too soon about getting by

  16. Danny - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:29 PM

    Peralta is immune to getting out with 2 outs RISP apparently

  17. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    Jiminy Christmas!

    Go talk to him. Do something!!!

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM

      Why did they let him pitch to Wong?? What the hell Matt

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:37 PM

        Had to give Fister a chance to warm up. He’s a starter, might not even be ready yet. Wish him luck.

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:39 PM

        Did mcatty not go up? This just sounds disfunctional.

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:39 PM

        Yes, McCatty went out. Ross threw a strike after that, but it didn’t last long.

  18. Danny - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    My only explanation is because Cards

  19. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    Man, we have just NO LUCK. Joe Ross completely lost it. Up 4-0. Come on, Dougie, get that third out!!!

  20. natslive - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    Are they asleep on the bench? Where was McCatty? Pretty obvious he as struggling especially since his command is normally good

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:40 PM

      McCatty went out. Ramos went out. MW signalled for Fister to warm up as soon as he walked the second guy.

      • natslive - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:43 PM

        Ok must have missed the McCatty visit when I took a quick break

  21. philipd763 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    The degree of MW’s stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:44 PM

      How was he stupid? He acted as quickly as possible. As it was, I don’t think Fister was completely ready, as he hit a batter. And, BTW, as long as Ross was just walking guys, he wasn’t giving up home runs…

  22. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:39 PM

    Are you freaking kidding me?

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:40 PM

      1 hit, three runs so far… Going to need more bats tonight I guess

  23. exposremains - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    What an embarrassment of a team

  24. Nats Fan Zee - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:42 PM

    Robo manager is making these games tough to watch. I think I’ll flip over to watch the Phil’s trounce the Mets

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:46 PM

      You mean watch the Mets come back from ten runs down? It’s only eight runs now.

      • Nats Fan Zee - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:28 PM

        No comeback tonight … Phil’s win 14-8

  25. exposremains - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    Dont like MW but this is on Joe Ross. It seems every pitcher needs to have a meltdown..then the hitter slumps..so few head strong reliable guys

  26. loudounhound - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    It was clear Ross totally lost it, and MW was two batters slow getting Fister up. As many on this board have posted over the past few days, you MUST manage differently now that your back is up against the wall.

  27. loudounhound - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:58 PM

    Meanwhile, the MASN Morons show a Denard Span commercial that I can’t remember seeing previously…days after Denard’s season ends. Is it just me, or was that a little Angelos in-your-face jab. We can’t get out of this rotten Selig TV rights giveaway fast enough.

  28. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    Zimm 😦

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:00 PM

  29. Danny - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    Lead off double and nadda. Gotta bad feeling about this one.

  30. Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    One run game, Harper gets a leadoff double and they strand him. Arghh….

    • npb99 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:08 PM

      They don’t even advance him. Strikeout, strikeout, popup. Ouch. Not what the Cards would have done.

  31. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Why pull fister??? He’s a better at than uggla and holding well for the double switch after werths ab…??

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:28 PM

      sometimes I wonder if MW has already checked out and is just having fun

  32. Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Uggla’s strike may have been the ugliest K I’ve seen all year. He wasn’t within 2′ off the ball on the third strike.

  33. npb99 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    Was pinch hitting for Fister the right call here?
    I’m travelling and just following the game online, but seems like he’s getting the job done and only pitched 2 1/3 innings. And nobody was on with two out.

    • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:25 PM

      I agree with coop202. Fister looked terrific after the first batter.

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:29 PM

        I thought Fister looked good, but he just pitched on Sunday. I think in a one-run game you have to pinch hit. Not sure I would have used Uggla, though.

  34. sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    Does Thornton miss any bats any more?

    The first guy released on Oct. 1.

    • Nats Fan Zee - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:30 PM

      There was a reason why he was DFA’ed

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:32 PM

        I can’t watch but how are there not three outs already with two fielders choices?

      • veejh - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:45 PM

        Salary dump. He was good last year.

      • Nats Fan Zee - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:54 PM

        7m for two years (one really) … We certainly got “dumped”

  35. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    Thank you, Blake Treinen!!!

    • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:57 PM

      I hope the bullpen arms can get enough outs for the rest of this series. Ross going out so early is why I would’ve worked Fister for another inning.

  36. IsawTeddywin - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    I’m really gonna need a home defibrillator if they keep this up.

  37. sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    OK, it’s seventh inning with a one-run lead and a beat-to-hell bullpen:

    If you haven’t already started, ladies and gentlemen, it is now officially bourbon and Maalox time.\

    Make mine a double, barkeep! Matty is managing.

  38. Danny - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    We are consistent at making the minimum with our bases loaded chances

  39. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    OK, folks. Two run lead in the seventh. Are you taking out Werth and Escobar? Speak now.

    • sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM

      Yes, and Yes. Den Dekker and Espi in, Werth and Esco out.

      Does it have to be like soccer where we hold up the numbers on a hand-held board to show Matty Boy?

  40. Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    Well, though we got one in, that was disappointing.

  41. Nats Fan Zee - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM

    For a team that drafts over 20 pitchers a year, finding a few effective ones for the BP seems to be a task that has eluded Mr. Rizzo

  42. Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:54 PM

    Thankfully, Werth can still catch a ball hit right at him.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:57 PM

      Second catch was better. He actually slid and looked like a real outfielder.

      • Section 222 - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM

        Indeed. That old Jayson Werth sliding catch we used to see on a regular basis.

      • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM

        His throw earlier was a good one, too.

  43. sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 10:56 PM

    OK, Matty, you got 2 defensive plays out of Werth in the 7th. Now, put den Dekker in there for defense. PLEASE.

  44. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM

    How are the O’s losing all these games with Buck Showalter managing?

  45. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:06 PM

    Trea can fly.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:09 PM

      Yes, wow. He needs a uniform that fits. I guess they don’t care Boys’ sizes. 😉

  46. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    OK, Werth had his AB.

    Put den Dekker in left.

  47. sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    Any of us call for Espi for Esco at third?

    No. I didn’t think so.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:16 PM

      No, but I did say (earlier) it was time to get Escobar out of the game. And Werth.

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:17 PM

      I thought turner was staying in at second? No?

  48. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    Why is Escobar in this game? And Drew, what are you DOING?????

  49. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:16 PM

    Why in the name of God aren’t Espinosa and den Dekker in the game?

    • naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:19 PM

      Absolutely.

      Freakin ridiculous. I toss one thing to make mistakes, another not to learn from them

      • naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:21 PM

        It’s one. Not I toss

  50. npb99 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:18 PM

    Is this really happening? Sickening.

  51. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:21 PM

    Can we have nice things? Help us out bryce

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:25 PM

      Or walk him. Zimmerman time to make up for not making contact when he was on second with no outs

  52. naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    Nice hustle anyway. Way to go rhino

  53. naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:29 PM

    Time to double switch Espinosa in for the bottom of the ninth

  54. Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:29 PM

    I think the bigger thing is that again Drew Storen can’t pitch for squat against the Cardinals. I have said for weeks that Anthony should be on 3B. Period.

    • naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM

      Omg Jansen?

      • sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:33 PM

        Casey Janssen? What could possibly go wrong?

    • naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM

      Totally agree

  55. rmoore446 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:33 PM

    I think I’ve seen this movie before…sigh

  56. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    MW is going down in a blaze of glory, middle fingers in the air. Godspeed good sir

  57. Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    I am as sick of Drew as most everybody was sick of Soriano last year. I am sure that he is a nice young man, but the guy gets the yips in big games way too frequently.

    • veejh - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM

      I think MW does too.

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:37 PM

      Eh he pitched like he was supposed to, just sounds like bad choices on the field

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:43 PM

        No, you are not supposed to hit guys.

      • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:45 PM

        A leadoff hit, then a hit batter is not pitching like he was supposed to.

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:46 PM

        Well… Same goes for Joe and fister

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:50 PM

        I have no complaint about Fister’s pitching. Yes, he let in a run with the HPB, but that was it. And I suspect he was not sufficiently warmed up.

      • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:50 PM

        And Yunel probably should’ve played the throw from Storen better, but that was a crappy throw from Storen.

      • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:53 PM

        I thought Fister did an overall good job.

  58. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:36 PM

    Janssen looks twitchy. That’s usually good.

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:39 PM

      Two outs and two strikes vs STL… Out old nemisis

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:43 PM

        *our not out

  59. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:45 PM

    Good thing we saved paps

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:48 PM

      How many innings do you think he was going to pitch? In an away game he would have to pitch at least two, and that’s assuming we got a run in the top of the tenth.

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:51 PM

        He can get four outs. or at least one. I’d take that last one and hope our bats could do anything

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:57 PM

        Yes, at that point, maybe, after Janssen got the first two outs.

  60. naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:45 PM

    Why in the hell was Jansen in after 26 pitches last night. Williams is an idiot

  61. sunshinebobby - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:45 PM

    If they had any decency, they would DFA Janssen on Wednesday.

  62. NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    Well, no defense was going to matter against the HR. Should have walked Moss.

    Again. FIVE runs. Again, two run lead. Can’t bring it home. Unless Max throws eight innings, I don’t see how we win tomorrow.

  63. Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:47 PM

    (Sorry, I hit ‘report comment’ in error).

    Call in the dogs, sell the farm, we’re toast.

  64. Reverendp - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:47 PM

    Ridiculous!

  65. coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    Said this when he put in janssen at 1130: “MW is going down in a blaze of glory, middle fingers in the air. Godspeed good sir”

  66. Drew - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    So, tell me again why you’ve lost with Janssen, while Pap is sitting in the pen.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:53 PM

      I ask again, how are you winning with Paps? At best, you are keeping it tied. Then, do you ask him to pitch the bottom of the 10th if it is still tied? Then you could lose the game in the 11th and Paps is not available tomorrow. If there were an off-day tomorrow, I could see it, but not otherwise.

      • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:57 PM

        You’re doing it to stay alive. Two days in a row papelbon should have come in for janssen (I don’t think he would cry if he were literally in to save the season). Janssen was cooked delivering four straight balls. Leaving him in was giving up. The poor choice was pulling foster earlier and removing your options for one out pitching. But that was the only choice then.

      • Joe Seamhead - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:01 AM

        I agree with Nats Lady regarding Pap.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:20 AM

        Staying alive isn’t enough. You have to win. Putting Paps in just postpones losing (and that’s assuming HE doesn’t let in the winning run with the bases loaded.)

    • Joe Seamhead - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:55 PM

      I pin this loss on Drew. And an inability to get guys in that were stranded in scoring position.

  67. rmoore446 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:50 PM

    Man, this is disheartening. I don’t get Janssen facing the last hitter, who owned him in the AL. Just don’t get some of these decisions.

    • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:54 PM

      I think he should have walked Moss, and then there is a play at any base on a ground ball. Janssen is not a strikeout guy. But it was clear he was getting tired when he hung the breaking ball on the previous at-bat.

      • NatsLady - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:59 PM

        OK, walk Moss and bring in Papelbon to get the final out, then pray for a run in the top of the 10th. I guess. I wouldn’t be happy with it, though.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:00 AM

        Because they would bring in Rosenthal, and it would be unlikely we would get that run in the top of the 10th. Then you either use Paps for the bottom of the 10th and who for the 11th? Or you don’t and you’re back to Janssen or Solis.

        There is no good solution after Drew blew it.

    • Joe Seamhead - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:07 AM

      There is no good solution after Drew blew it. .

      EXACTLY

  68. senators69 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:53 PM

    Cue the calliope music…you know….the same tune we play everyday for the Redskins…yes, that one.
    This time, just play it for Matt Williams.

  69. naterialguy - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:53 PM

    Unfortunately it is time to shut down Ross. He had been great but he seems to be showing now he is fatigued

    • senators69 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:53 PM

      Hope its not more serious

  70. npb99 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:54 PM

    Absolutely pathetic. We need major shakeup this winter. MW fired, drew traded, rebuild this team.

    • coop202 - Sep 1, 2015 at 11:59 PM

      Well that’s going overboard… matts gone, but the lesson from this season seemed to be don’t skimp on Pen and defense, and when you need to make a mid season deal instead of being idle. I don’t think that’s in rizzo’s bank though.

      • npb99 - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:11 AM

        What I mean is most if not all of the FAs will leave anyway, and then Rizzo needs to rebuild bullpen. Many core players will of course remain, but I see more turnover than any other recent year. And Drew must go. He is just not reliable.

  71. NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:05 AM

    Maybe Rizzo should have brought up more than just Solis. I haven’t kept track of Taylor Hill, Matt Grace and all those fellows we had in the spring (I believe Taylor Jordan is on the DL). I know the minor league season isn’t over, but priority has got to be with the major league team.

    • stoatva - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:09 AM

      Rafael Martin completely turned his year around. He’s been killer.

      Rizzo has to wear some of this.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:16 AM

        Maybe there were some logistical problems, heaven knows where all these guys are located. I dunno. At the very least, where is Roark? You know he’s coming back and I would assume he’s on the same schedule as Ross, so he would have been available.

      • natsguy - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:20 AM

        Roark isn’t eligible until the 4th.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:21 AM

        @natsguy, thanks! That explains that.

    • natsguy - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:18 AM

      There isn’t very much in the cupboard of the minors. Possibly 6 players, some who won’t be ready for a few years. The sound you heard tonight was the window closing for a couple of years.

  72. ballgrindM - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:07 AM

    Trade prospects plus Espinosa for Carlos Gonzalez. Sign bullpen help. Lineup: Turner SS, Rendon 3B, Harper RF, CarGo LF, Zimmerman 1B, Escobar 2B, Taylor CF, Ramos C. Rotation: Scherzer, Strasburg, Ross, Roark, Gio. Oh yeah and uh FIRE MATT

    • natsguy - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM

      They don’t have many prospects that anybody wants at present. That is probably why no midseason trades.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:26 AM

        Agree. Giolito, Ross and Turner are untouchable. I recall scouts were at a game looking at Fedde and some position player whose name I’ve forgotten, but anyway is years away–and nothing came of that.

        The only way Rizzo might have gotten a player is a salary dump and I don’t think he’s pretty much at his budget limit. He strengthened the bullpen, and hoped, like the rest of us, that returning health would bring up the offense–which it has, but it took too long and the rotation faltered.

        I happen to feel our development system is good, and we’ll have players, but that takes time and they aren’t tradeable assets at this point.

      • stoatva - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:28 AM

        Yeah, a lot of smart guys keep saying “I told you we should have gotten Cespedes” but can’t tell you how we could have outbid the Mets, who overpaid considerably by all accounts. It’s been worth it to them. They’ll be happy just to be in the playoffs and Cespedes can cash in elsewhere over the winter.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:28 AM

        That came out tangled. I don’t think Rizzo could spend much more money at the trade deadline (beyond Papelbon) because he’s at the limit of his budget. So he couldn’t take on a salary dump–and probably didn’t want to anyway as he doesn’t like rentals.

      • NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:30 AM

        Cespedes is not that great, and now that the guys are healthy, offense isn’t the problem. We had five runs in both these games, and we should win with five runs. Period.

  73. raleighnat - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:24 AM

    I just loved that Jannsen was back in there. That was just perfect.

    • stoatva - Sep 2, 2015 at 12:35 AM

      Only other option was Solis, realistically. Papelbon for four outs occurred to me at the time but, like Ross in the third… you have to act like the guy can get one out to end the inning, even if you sorely doubt it.

  74. NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 1:00 AM

    I didn’t watch the postgame interviews, but from Twitter I gather that Matt said a good to third would have gotten him, and Storen said he threw it right over the base.

    Trouble in paradise?

  75. NatsLady - Sep 2, 2015 at 1:37 AM

    Also, Ross said he felt fine, had trouble gripping the ball in the humidity. Had never used rosin but now may have to. Said he has to work on it.

    Reminds you how inexperienced he is. Hope he’s being honest about his health.

    • nicefellow31 - Sep 2, 2015 at 7:50 AM

      I guess nobody talks to the pitcher during the game. I would envision coach ask “what’s going on out there?”

      Ross: “I’m having trouble gripping the ball”
      Coach: “Use the rosin bag”
      Ross: “Ok”

      I don’t understand why that’s so hard.

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