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Game 107: Diamondbacks at Nats

Aug 6, 2015, 12:32 PM EST

Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER

It’s a new day in D.C., and the Nationals can only hope that means a reversal of fortunes after last night’s debacle. There was one roster move made earlier today: Aaron Barrett, who didn’t surrender a run in July but gave up the decisive runs last night on a throwing error, was optioned to Class AAA Syracuse. Blake Treinen, who tossed 12 scoreless innings in the minors after his demotion earlier this summer, was recalled. Matt Williams also suggested he would be holding a team meeting before today’s game. We’ll see what details emerge from that.

Meanwhile, Joe Ross takes the mound for the series finale against the Diamondbacks. The rookie has pitched quite well in his first six career starts, but this could be his last appearance up here for awhile if he winds up getting demoted upon Stephen Strasburg’s return from the DL.

Ian Desmond is back in the lineup after getting last night off, but Ryan Zimmerman gets today off. It’s Clint Robinson starting at first base and batting cleanup behind Bryce Harper. Updates to come, so please check back…

ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS at WASHINGTON NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 4:05 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN, MLB.tv
Radio: 106.7 FM, 1500 AM, XM 183
Weather: Chance of rain late, 77 degrees, Wind 5 mph in from CF

NATIONALS (55-51)
3B Yunel Escobar
2B Anthony Rendon
RF Bryce Harper
1B Clint Robinson
LF Jayson Werth
SS Ian Desmond
C Wilson Ramos
CF Michael Taylor
RHP Joe Ross

DIAMONDBACKS (52-54)
CF Ender Inciarte CF
SS Cliff Pennington
LF David Peralta
3B Jake Lamb
2B Aaron Hill
1B Jarrod Saltalamacchia
RF Yasmany Tomas
C Oscar Hernandez
RHP Jeremy Hellickson

UMPIRES
HP Tripp Gibson
1B Brian Gorman (cc)
2B Mark Carlson
3B Gabe Morales

4:06 p.m. — And we’re underway with overcast skies above. No rain yet, hopefully it holds off.

4:25 p.m. — A scoreless first inning in the books for both Joe Ross and Jeremy Hellickson. The D’backs did hit the ball hard off him in the top of the inning but had one single to show for it. Bryce Harper drew a 2-out walk in the bottom of the inning, but Clint Robinson grounded directly into Arizona’s shift.

4:42 p.m. — Jayson Werth just missed sending one out over the center-field fence to lead off the bottom of the second. No matter, because Ian Desmond followed on the very next pitch, crushing a changeup from Jeremy Hellickson over the left-field bullpen for his 12th homer of the season. That’s a nice sign after Desmond’s day off. It’s 1-0 Nats after two.

5:12 p.m. — That was a strange bottom of the third. It saw Escobar foul a ball off his foot, take a long time to get back in the box and then get drilled on the next pitch by Hellickson. Then it saw Rendon and Harper draw walks, loading the bases with one out for Robinson, who worked the count full before taking a fastball that appeared to be considerably outside but was called strike three by Tripp Gibson. So now it was up to Werth with the bases loaded and two out. Werth grounded to third, then managed to beat the throw by sliding headfirst into first base. Except the D’backs challenged the call and very quickly were proven right. So the Nats get nothing out of that inning and still lead 1-0.

5:40 p.m. — Make it 2-0 after four thanks to another ball smoked left field by Desmond, this one off the wall for a leadoff double. Ramos followed with a single up the middle, putting Desmond in position to score on Taylor’s slow roller to second. That’s 46 RBI now for Taylor, second-most on the roster behind Harper. Pretty impressive. Not impressive: The pace of today’s game. It just took 1 hour, 35 minutes to play four innings of a 2-0 game. Sheesh.

6:11 p.m. — Before the game, Matt Williams said he wants his guys to be more aggressive, doing things like taking an extra base on a ball in the dirt. Well, they did just that in the bottom of the fifth, setting the stage for two more runs to score. Harper, who singled to get things started, took second on a passed ball. Then Werth reached on a strikeout-wild pitch, with Harper taking third (and briefly thinking about going for the plate). All of that set up Ramos’ 2-out, 2-run single to left, leaving Wilson 5 for his last 7 and putting the Nats up 4-1 after five.

6:39 p.m. — It’s still 4-1 after the sixth inning, though the Nats did threaten against D’Backs reliever Allen Webster. He walked both Rendon and Harper with one out, but escaped when Robinson flew out and Werth grounded into a forceout at second. Casey Janssen will now pitch the seventh. Ross’ day is done, here is his final line: 6 IP, 5 H, ER, HR, 7 SO, 0 BB. He threw 89 pitches. His season ERA through seven starts is 2.80.

7:12 p.m. — Both teams scored in the seventh inning, as this game is now 5-3 with Drew Storen coming in to pitch the eighth. The D’Backs got their two runs off Janssen. He started his outing by walking Saltalamacchia and giving up back-to-back singles to Tomas and Castillo. Inciarte then doubled down the first base line one out later to score two. The Nats got their run on a double off the center field wall by Ryan Zimmerman, who pinch-hit for Matt Thornton. Thornton replaced Janssen to get the second and third outs. Zim’s hit scored Taylor, who was hit by a pitch and stole second base.

7:32 p.m. — The D’Backs made it interesting in the seventh, but the Nats got some insurance runs in the eighth thanks to Robinson’s fifth homer of the season. Rendon and Harper led off with singles before Robinson smoked a line drive over the out-of-town scoreboard in right field. It’s now 8-3 Nats with Blake Treinen coming in to pitch the ninth.

7:41 p.m. — Blake Treinen closes the 9th with three Ks. Nats win and move to 56-51 on the season.

315 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. simalex - Aug 6, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    it would be a shame if joe ross were demoted, instead of, say, doug fister.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM

      Only issue is Joe Ross innings limitation which Rizzo says exists.

      • someguyinva - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:18 PM

        Fister’s out of options, just like Tyler Moore. Only way to send him to the minors would be to have him clear waivers first, which is possible, I guess, but not too likely. He also might be in a position, based on service time, where he could refuse an assignment to the minors and be granted outright release.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:20 PM

        DL

      • someguyinva - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:42 PM

        Yeah, that’d be the way to go. Fister can have an ingrown toenail, or go old-school and contract a case of lumbago or something.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:44 PM

        Inflammation exists all the time, just ask Dan Haren, or you can have HenRod swollen hand

      • someguyinva - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:48 PM

        I read this, and all I can think of is the line from This is Spinal Tap:

        “You know, several, you know, dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It’s just not really widely reported”

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:33 PM

        LOL, that’s awesome.

      • masterfishkeeper - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM

        MW said somewhere around 160, in a radio interview a week or two ago.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:37 PM

        That sounds right in line with Rizzo and young arms making the jump from 122 innings would put him in the low 160’s.

      • jd - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:39 PM

        So what? keep Joe pitching until he runs out of inning. Why waste these innings in the minors?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:43 PM

        Thank you thank you. He has 6 to 8 starts left. Seems smart to put Fister on the DL for that inflammation 😉

      • simalex - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:41 PM

        yeah, that’s fair enough, and makes a hell of a lot of sense.

  2. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    From David Lauterback: “Congrats to 2014 @Nationals 1st Rounder @ErickFedde on his promotion to @HagerstownSuns. 4-1 w/ 2.57 ERA in 8 starts for @Doubledays. #Nats”

  3. nats106 - Aug 6, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    Espinosa out of the lineup. Oh well.

    • NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM

      I’d like to see Danny in against a lefty. Otherwise, he hasn’t been much better than Desi recently.

      • nats106 - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:13 PM

        I would as well

        By the way, I saw your earlier post – excellent points regarding positions, players etc. and I agree on almost all your comments.

        I would respectfully disagree about Desmond being over his erroneous ways in the field. The night Scherzer pitched he had an opportunity to throw out a runner at the plate and it was way off. While he wasn’t charged with an error, a good throw would have gotten the runner out easily. It’s those types of plays that can make or break a team going through the doldrums.

      • NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:36 PM

        You are right, I had forgotten that one, as I didn’t see it and just read about it.

  4. natsfan1a - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    Go, Joe! Go, NATS!! No offense to TyMo, but let’s have a better highlight than a position player pitching for this one, okay guys? Like, maybe a curly W? Pretty please? Okay, I’m going to go have a team meeting with my cat. Later.

  5. faridrushdi - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    I have been saying this since earlier in the season when the Nationals were winning, so I’m not “piling on:”

    Future: Good or bad?

    Catcher-Nothing really in the minors, Wilson Ramos, who I believed would be a .290-20-80 hitter, is showing he can’t hit outside pitches and yet swings at them, rolling over and hitting soft grounders. No doubt the Nationals keep him another year (2016) and he’ll be a free agent after 2017. Nothing to be excited about here.

    First Base-I was excited when Ryan Zimmerman signed that long-term deal, but I was worried about his health. Since 2008, he’s played a “full season” just twice. He’s signed forever and he’s getting paid to put up Albert Pujols numbers but we’ll be lucky if he produces .270-20-80. Nothing for the future is shining bright.

    Second Base-Anthony Rendon has the potential to be the greatest 2nd baseman of his generation, but he also has the potential to be perpetually injured. He was injured all through his college years and was lost for the season shortly after he began to play in the minors. And just when we thought that was all behind him, he’s missed most of the 2015 season. I think Rendon is capable of hitting .320-25-100 every year. Can he stay healthy? Here’s a case where the future seems set.

    Shortstop-Trea Turner has a career minor league batting line of .322./386/.460 with 12-15 homer power and 50 SB speed. My guess is that Danny Espinosa will be the “starting shortstop” but Turner will probably be the guy by May 2016. Turner and Rendon could be baseball’s best middle-infield for many years.

    Third Base-Yunel Escobar will be in Washington through next year. He’s impressing this season but since 2010 he’s averaged .263/.322/.337. That’s not what you want your 3rd baseman to hit if your first baseman is hitting with 20-homer power. Division winners have 1st and 3rd basemen who combine to his 50 homers and 200 RBI. Our guys could combine for 35 HRand 150 RBI. There are “pieces” in the system at third but no one who jumps out at you. Nothing futuristic here.

    Left Field–Jayson Werth’s contract changed the Nationals into contenders and I’ve never said a negative word about it. But he has two more years left after this season and he’s showing his age. He’s looked tentative in left and he’d best help the Nationals as part of a platoon the next couple of years. But that won’t happen. Tough times in left.

    Center Field–Denard Span won’t be back in 2016 and Michael Taylor will likely have the job. He’s a stud defender and a power hitter but minor league stats suggest he’ll continue to strike out at a 180/season pace, like Ian Desmond. Is that good enough? He’s the future, for better or worse.

    Right Field — Bryce Harper. Yep.

    Starting Rotation:

    1. Max Scherzer will be here six more years
    2. Lucas Giolito will be here soon
    3. Joe Ross will stay for a long time
    4. Eric Fedde will be ready in two years
    5. Tanner Roark’s use has hurt his numbers in 2015. He’ll return to form as a starter-only.

    Final note: The New York Mets kiddie corps pitching staff is a lot better than I thought it would ever be and has the ability to be significantly better than whoever we put out there. I think Strasburg is worth more in a trade than what he can provide on the mound and so I don’t include him in the rotation.

    the Nationals need to put together a strong, powerful offense to get through the Mets’ pitchers, but there are currently too many holes there to do that.

    Let’s see what Mike Rizzo does, but I think for the first time he needs to find some offense, and quick.

    • jd - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM

      You are wrong about the catcher position. The Nats 4th or 5th best prospect is 22 year old Pedro Severino who the scouts say is superb defensively already, he hasn’t hit that much yet (.260 at AA) but again the scouts say that his hit tool is good and he will hit. I don’t agree with your projection of Rendon at 2nd and Escobar at 3rd, you will see that the Nats will be a much better defensive team if you reverse these 2 and I bet you they do in spring training, I also think that Escobar is a place holder for Difo who will be the 2nd baseman of the future.

      My concern is that if everything remains the same the lineup will be very right handed, it would be nice to introduce a left handed power hitter either at 1st or LF but I don’t think Werth and/or Zim are movebale. I think projecting Eric Fedde is still very pre mature. Guys like Alex Meyer etc were supposed to be sure things and where are they now? Also Gio and Stras are here for 2 and 1 more years respectively.

      As far as the Mets go, let’s see how their kids do in year 2 and 3 together. Lot’s of talent there to be sure but there are always bumps in the road. 20 years ago the Mets had a sure fire can’t miss big 3 in Willson, Pulsipher and Isringhausen. How did that work out for them?

    • abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM

      Seems like a good analysis of both the near and mid-terms.

      There is hope, but no reason to feel supremely confident. Holes exist and can be, but must be, filled.

    • bowdenball - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM

      The criteria you’re applying for who is part of the future and who isn’t seems arbitrary, particularly the assumption that Strasburg will be traded, which is odd, and made even odder by ignoring whatever return he’d provide in your analysis. Why is Fedde here but Reynaldo Lopez isn’t? Why no mention of Wilmer Difo? Why so little mention of defense when the Nats have a stud defensive catching prospect at the AA level?

      And perhaps most importantly, what about the money generated by a growing fanbase and freed up when Zimmermann, Fister, Span and Desmond all depart? That’s something like $50 million coming off the books from those four guys next year alone If you’re going to analyze what their departures mean to the depth chart you have to also note the added financial flexibility that comes with those departures, no? That seems like an important element of the future.

      • simalex - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:52 PM

        and austin voth, too. that guy has pitched pretty darn well at AA.

        this year is bumming me out but i still love this franchise and am definitely taking a long position…

    • simalex - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM

      Clint Robinson will never win a gold glove, but the guy can play 1B well enough, and furthermore, as a guy slashing .268/.350/.405, that is a totally legit offensive line.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM

      Nice analysis — although, like others, I wonder why you don’t have SS in there for our future.

      For RZ — I’m not sure that .270 is not in his future anymore. If he can stay healthy enough to keep the rust off.

      For the rest of the infield, I see Rendon going to 3d and Esco to 2d next year, don’t you think?

      MAT’s K’s are indeed a worry, but I can’t but think he still has a decent amount of up-side. I think, in an ideal world, 2015 should have been the finishing touches on his minor league career — he’s still too raw to be up in The Show. But he’s getting a crash course, he’s learning, and his improvements between April and now are quite clear.

  6. erocks33 - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:32 PM

    Oh, how I wish Desi was back to how he was hitting in the first half of the season. Before you size me up for one of those jackets that ties up in the back, hear me out.

    Desi has 387 AB’s so far this season. In roughly the first half of those AB’s (196 AB’s thru May 30), he was hitting:
    .255/.305/.398 with 12 BB’s and 54 SO’s and a BABIP of .333

    In his last 191 AB’s (thru last night’s game), he’s been hitting:
    .173/.216/.309 with 10 BB’s and 71 SO’s and a BABIP of .226

    Please come back, first half Desi!

  7. NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:35 PM

    It’s true that in from July 10 – August 1 (Barrett did not give up any runs. His slash (against) was .154/.214/.154 for an OPS of .368 in 7.2 innings.

    However, he inherited 12 runners and three of them scored (in two appearances). That’s been an ongoing problem with him as 30% of his 27 inherited runners have scored this season.

    Casey Janssen has inherited five runners, none have scored.

    For Matt Thornton, who went on that terrific streak last year, he has inherited 21 runners, four have scored (in three appearances)

    Six of Tanner Roark’s 13 inherited runners have scored.
    Five of Treinen’s six inherited runners have scored.
    Three of Rivero’s ten inherited runners have scored.

    • bowdenball - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:42 PM

      That doesn’t really sound like a problem. In fact it sounds like a fairly normal percentage, maybe even better than normal. Any chance you know what the league average is for inherited runners scored?

      • jd - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:09 PM

        They do. If they go out west next week while the Mets host the Rockies and they are still 2 – 3 games out I think they will be in serious trouble.

      • NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM

        It’s not easy to find on B-R or Fangraphs. I will hunt around later.

      • IsawTeddywin - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM

        What I found on b-r is league avg of 27%, Nats 32%
        Treinan and Roark push team up

  8. bowdenball - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    Goldschmidt and Pollock both out of the lineup for the D-Backs today.

    Nats have to get this one.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:06 PM

      No way! Wow, that’s surprising.

      • rayvil01 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:10 PM

        Have to take advantage of this.

  9. NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    Holy Bananas, Greinke is getting hammered. Luckily I am playing head-to-head and my opponent also has Greinke. OK, enuff stuff, off to the game.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:25 PM

      And still winning the game in the 3rd inning up 7-6

    • Steady Eddie - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:11 PM

      NL, if you want a different view of the game, please feel free to come over to the unoccupied seat in 136 row C (Bryce territory).

  10. Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    I posted this two threads ago but spent too much time composing and typing and by the time I posted the world had turned 90 degrees. It’s probably not pertinent to anything anybody else is interested in talking about, pre-game, but, what the hey?

    Use of “pound the zone” by Gonzalez is an offense against what everybody in the ballpark and at home in their living rooms saw. Neither BAPIP nor “only walked one” is an excuse. He was in long counts all night — maybe I shouldn’t say “all night” because he was out of the game shortly after sundown. He has a wonderful curveball — maybe the best in the major leagues — but it is effective only when he can set it up with his fastball, and I’m not sure I saw a FB called strike all the time I was watching. (I left the TV to load the dishwasher when Williams signaled for Barrett and when I came back it was 5-2; I knew without being told what had happened.) Gonzalez is not the pitcher he was in 2012 (hasn’t been since, really). As FP pointed out — again — last night, his success in his 21-win season (still without pitching 200 innings) was built on getting ahead with the FB and finishing off hitters with the curve and changeup. Now he seems limited to trying to fool hitters with the change and the slider, and tempting them w/ FBs he can’t command. The 79 mph curve ball is a great pitch when he can get to two strikes because it’s the only thing that consistently comes down in the strike zone.

    Barrett is the first occasion this season I can recall where someone actually got an expedited demotion for poor performance. I wish it happened more often but the salaries of most of the worst offenders are too high for the Syracuse payroll. Both Barrett (“killer slider”) and Treinen (“killer sinker”) are incomplete pitchers. Barrett is simply unreliable. At this point, I think Treinen is better suited to start — he wobbles in late-inning/pressurized relief situations. Rivero is probably a keeper but is inexperienced and gets rattled. The Nats didn’t need another closer at the trade deadline; they needed better middle relievers and there were plenty available on the market.

    • abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:05 PM

      By getting Papelbon, they made 7-8-9 all strong. I think that made the bullpen better in the middle -7-.

      I do agree that even one more reliever would have helped. Treinen and Barrett both seem lost, so swapping one for the other doesn’t fill me with confidence. Yet I don’t see much better options in house.

      Rivero looks like he has real potential, but also looks like he is being rushed by need, so put in over his head recently.

      Poor Roark. I think he has been a real team player, and it worked for a while, but moving from long to short to start to long, etc.seems to have messed him up, at least for now.

      • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM

        +1,abqnatsfan

    • natsnatsnatswoo - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM

      Yet despite all of Gio’s failures that you enumerate here, he had seven strikeouts and only one walk. And every single one of those seven strikeouts came when he needed a strikeout the most – with runners in scoring position. What we saw from Gio last night was a great example of how to pitch well on a night when he didn’t have all of his pitches working. If it had been Livan Hernandez instead of Gio who pitched that way last night, people would still be singing his praises. And you would be one of them.

      • NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:13 PM

        Gio got a standing ovation. He was appreciated. 😉

      • jd - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM

        100%. Gio hasn’t been the problem this year at all. I think he has pitched quite well overall.

      • simalex - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:52 PM

        +10

    • masterfishkeeper - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:09 PM

      We don’t know why they decided to send Barrett back down. It also could have been to get a more rested arm in the pen, and one that is capable of more innings. The pen is pretty chewed up now.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM

      Use of “pound the zone” by Gonzalez is an offense against what everybody in the ballpark and at home in their living rooms saw. Neither BAPIP nor “only walked one” is an excuse. He was in long counts all night

      Is that really true? Weren’t something like 70% of his pitches strikes? If that’s the case, that’s pretty good.

      Look — he gave up 8 hits (which I think was BABIP, but, for the moment that’s besides the point).

      The fact that he threw so many pitches is a direct result that so many people got on base.

      I know that “pound the zone” has been Gio’s problem all year — heck, most of his career actually — but I really think last night was an exception.

      • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:34 PM

        Looking up some stats, I found this:

        MLB average for % strikes is 63.6%
        Gio, in his career, is 61.5%, but this year is 64.1%
        Last night it was 70.5%

    • alexva6 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:29 PM

      long counts all night??

      he went to a three ball count on two batters, the one he walked and one other

      he only threw 28 balls all night facing 24 batters.

      no one is saying he’s Gio of 2012, that was his career year for G*ds sake.

      • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:44 PM

        Good points, Alex.

        A great example of seeing his reputation instead of what actually happened.

        (BTW, fun fact: the year that Gio first made the all star team, in 2011, he led all of MLB in walks)

        In 2012, he threw 3.89 pitches per batter — this year he’s throwing 3.83.

        League average this year is 3.82

        Just sayin’ . . . 😉

  11. IsawTeddywin - Aug 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM

    On an optimistic note, Nats records games 107-162 last 3 years
    2014. 38-18
    2013. 34-22
    2012. 35-21
    Here’s hoping they can hit the 36-20 average!
    They were even 30-25 in 2011,
    And I’ll give them 31, since we only played 161. 😉

  12. NatsLady - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:06 PM

    jd–
    w/regard to Barrett and Roark not being ready. I am taking C&D’s word on that. I think Gio threw what, 2-3 pitches before Matt came to the mound?

    As for Roark, he definitely had not gotten up. Rivero and Barrett were throwing. Rivero threw a couple more pitches and sat down. Then C&D said Matty was going to take Barrett out and Lobaton was coming to the mound to stall. If Roark threw two warmup pitches in the bullpen I’d be surprised. He got his eight on the mound…

    As I said from the beginning, whatever plan Matt had (I think it was Gio for the 6th with the proviso he comes out if there is a baserunner), he didn’t communicate that plan to the bullpen so that the relievers could be mentally and physically ready to come in on a second’s notice. Now, I don’t know if he communicates that to McCatty and McCatty didn’t follow up, or if he just said that to Gio, or if he just said that to himself. I know Davey used to do that all the time (including letting the pitcher bat for himself)–it was maddening, but at least the relievers knew to expect it.

    I do know that when Davey first came on he didn’t follow McCatty’s advice, and they had several fights (disputes) that were visible to onlookers. As time passed, Davey followed McCatty’s advice. Have no idea what MW’s relationship with McCatty is. McCatty has a very good reputation, that I do know.

    • jd - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:16 PM

      He may have a good reputation but I’m not wild about the overall results he has gotten from his pitchers.

    • natsnatsnatswoo - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:17 PM

      Barrett could not have been ready when he came in to pitch. After Gio gave up the single, Ramos went to the mound to talk with him. Then not until Ramos returned to the plate did Williams head out to the mound to pull Gio. Clearly they were stalling for time to get Barrett a couple more throws in the bullpen.

    • Section 222 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:52 PM

      I was there. Roark was throwing by the time MW came out to get Gio. Not saying he had been warming for long, but he had thrown well more than 2 pitches in the pen.

  13. nats106 - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM

    A sad state of affairs when one parking pass is more valuable than two game tickets.

    • tcostant - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:35 PM

      LOL

  14. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM

    Just get Ross a win. Kid”s been outstanding but just can’t catch a break.

  15. adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    Just wrapping stuff up from prior threads on the ongoing Desi vs Espi thingy:

    (as noted in another thread)

    Since 30 days ago (July 7 thru today), Espi is batting .175 (and even his OBA is under .200). Ian is .220-something during that period, I think.

    I got two responses that I want to mention:

    You keep bringing up this comparison of Espinosa and Desmond over the past thirty days showing that Desi’s numbers are better however what I, and I think others don’t understand is MW continuing to use Desmond consistently day in day out while letting Espinosa stay on the bench. Espi’s numbers aren’t going to improve unless he gets some AB’s .

    and

    Agree. Play him for a week or two straight, and then pass judgement.

    Those are certainly valid points. Thanks.

    However, in this case, Espis stats *do* cover a period when he played almost every day. The period of July 7 thru July 24, which covers 13 of the 16 games since then, he missed only a single game. (Granted, the ASB was in the middle — but Desi and everybody else were off those days, too). During those games he hit .192

    Listen, folks — I am *not* saying that Desi should play and Espi should sit. What I _am_ saying is that they are *both* stinking up the joint, and to fault MW for not playing one over the other is way overblown, and ignores that in this period, Desi actually out hit Espi.

    If Espi was hitting anywhere near .250 over the last month, I’d have a whole different view. But, sadly for us, the .250-Espi hasn’t been seen in a while.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:34 PM

      Look from when Espi was benched June 30- July26
      Espi is .244
      Desi is .189

      The point is your results are very dependent on the period and number of at bats. One can make one statistic (BA) look any way you want.
      Desi’s problem is contact…batting may not be great for either but a lot can happen when you hit the ball. BABIP tries to consider what the batter would do normally if the ball is put in play but when you don’t, you will not have a chance.

      • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:39 PM

        I hear you. My basic premise, still, is that both have been doing badly — especially recently. I’d rather see Espi myself — but Espi’s case is still kind of weak.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:06 PM

        oh yes…totally agree with you on that. Neither is a major upgrade on the other as it stands.

    • nats106 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:38 PM

      I can appreciate your point.

      But it’s also been quite some time since we’ve seen a .250 Desmond as well. My issue lies with the number 21 and .951. His fielding stats compared with Espinosa’s .993.

      For those numbers of errors without corresponding offensive output, I think most other players would be finding splinters in their respective butts.

      • nats106 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:39 PM

        Just practicing for my debate this evening.

      • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:40 PM

        😉

      • nats106 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:46 PM

        Of all people, a wonk should appreciate that one.

  16. nattygoats - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Glad to see Zimm on the bench. Now if we could just get Desi and Werth sitting ne t to him Nats would be fine

  17. rmoore446 - Aug 6, 2015 at 3:52 PM

    On radio’s Manager Report in today’s pregame just now MW said about letting Gio come out for the sixth last night that the bullpen was “up and hot”. That seems to counter my TV watching memory as well as our NI witnesses.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:06 PM

      I think I remember seeing two relievers warming up in the 5th (and perhaps one of them was Rivero?). I *think* that at the start of the 6th nobody was up, but it’s quite possible that the guys were pretty warm from the inning before. But, sheesh, that’s a long time ago for _my_ memory banks at this point . . . 😉

  18. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    Marks tweet in the upper corner: Jerry Blevins slipped and fractured his arm. The same arm. Too bad.

    Also, Dan Kolko will be in costume tomorrow night and running in the president’s race.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM

      That’s a shame. Saw that on Kolko.

      Did you see the HR that Billy Burns robbed above the fence yesterday. I can’t believe his hops.

  19. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:10 PM

    Glad its a cold day in Washington because Peralta hit that hard.

  20. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Just keep getting on, Bryce. Sooner or later, they’ll start to bat you in more regularly.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:25 PM

      He leads the NL in runs scored.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM

        It helps when you batted yourself in 29 times and you’re on base almost 1 out of 2 at-bats.

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM

        He could be leading by waaaaaaay more.

  21. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    Wow, Doug Fister sitting in the bullpen. Who goes down then, is it Treinen or Roark or Rivero, or a DL stint?

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:30 PM

      1 vote for DL stint

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:32 PM

        Me too because you want him back on Sept 1st improved.

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:34 PM

        See my note below about continuing to pitch Ross.

  22. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    Joe Ross has thrown 3 changeups so far today. It has been an improved pitch plus he is throwing that slider again at 2 speeds or is the slower one more slurve. I mentioned that in his last start. Whatever he’s doing it is filth.

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:33 PM

      We need to keep pitching Ross. He very well may be the 2nd best starter right now. Why waste his innings in MiLB? We need to win games now.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:35 PM

        Uh, he is the 2nd best starter right now in my mind however I still have faith in JZim.

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:36 PM

        Oh, for sure. JZimm is still our #2, but he’s been in a rut. He’s snap out of it. He’s just too consistent not to.

  23. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    Pretty good contact from Werth. I guess that’s a good sign.

  24. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    Dez! Nice!

  25. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Nice shot Desi! That was crushed!!!!

  26. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    stop swinging at the 1st pitch, MAT

  27. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    You don’t see spin like that on a foul ball that spins back fair. A good thing Joe Cool hustled after it. This kid is impressive.

  28. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Carp: Hellickson robbed by Robinson

    Me: Bob, the ball caught Robinson. He didn’t have to move.

  29. Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:48 PM

    Still focused on last night. When someone throws 70 percent of his pitches for “strikes,” that’s probably too high. Every base hit is counted as a “strike” whether it was one or not. And a hit does not reflect positively on the pitcher, certainly not a good thing. Also, more strikes should connote more strikeouts, which are fine by themselves but, unless they are three- or four-pitch strikeouts, not very efficient. The bottom line is that it equates to more pitches, more pitches per out, fewer innings, more stress on the bullpen. By observation, I think the optimum — for most pitchers — is somewhere around 62-65 percent.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM

      I’m going to have to disagree with you there. K’s don’t add too much to the pitch count — walks and hits add a lot to the pitch count. And K’s are good because there is no chance of getting BABIP’d.

      FWIW: Scherzer, for the entire season, is throwing 70.8% strikes.

    • manassasnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM

      Damn Joe Cool 70% strikes which I now learn is bad.

  30. Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    On TV I saw a whole section — somewhere in the 200 range along the 1B side — completely empty. Really. How is that possible?

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:53 PM

      It’s an early game.

    • manassasnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:40 PM

      Often when I am at a game I see an empty section have asked about them before, but never get a good answer.

  31. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    Joe Ross doubled-up on the changeup to Inciarte. This went from a pitch that wasn’t effective to a pitch he is throwing a lot today. The slider in the dirt for these swinging strike 3’s is pure filth.

    I hope Mark gets to add Ross what has changed with the the better dip on the changeup and the varying speed on the breaking pitch.

    He is throwing 4 pitches today with the sinker, slider, slower-slider, and changeup.

  32. Big Red W - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:53 PM

    Scherzer
    Strasburg
    Ross
    Giolito
    Gonzalez
    2016 Rotation. It sounds good.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM

      I am keeping hope alive that Jordan is with this team next year….

      • natslive - Aug 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM

        Me too

  33. Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:53 PM

    Ross seems to be a marvel. I hope I’m not jinxing him. Fister in the BP is appropriate, though I’m not sure what use he will be down there. Return of Ross Ohlendorf?

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:55 PM

      Souza for Turner AND Ross. It still blows my mind.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM

        Look at Ross’s stats when he was traded. He wasn’t a “sure thing”. The work the Nats did in Minors to repeat his mechanics is striking. Add to that how he is back today with a new changeup and the last outing or the one before that (can’t remember) he debut’d a 2 speed slider with different tilt.

        That gives him an Ace repertoire.

  34. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    That’s a hard way to boost your OBP with a HBP. Stay strong Esco.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM

      That’s his 7th HPB already this season. Yowza!

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM

        I think he got hit once or twice where they ruled he was swinging.

  35. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Hellickson hasn’t thrown a ball in the zone to Rendon yet and it’s a 3-2 count.

  36. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    Esco has to lead the club with hbp… wonder if we see Espi today…

  37. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    I think Hellickson has thrown 8 straight balls.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:05 PM

      Didn’t throw one in the zone at all to Rendon. Tony swung at 2 in the dirt.

  38. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    OK, please capitalize on bases loaded 1 out.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:05 PM

      As the Wonkling and I always say at times like this: “at least, please, a productive out!”

  39. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:04 PM

    This is where you earn your pay CRob. My guess is the pitching coach told Hellickson to keep it outside on CRob.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM

      Yep — all seven pitches were away. With the 7th one kinda looking like a ball on GameDay

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:10 PM

        CRob is a pull hitter. Has shown no power going oppo. Hellickson executed.

      • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:12 PM

        I can’t see — but I wonder, should batters trying moving closer the plate when they see that happening?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:13 PM

        Hah, I just responded to veejh with that a few seconds ago!

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM

      That’s 7 outside to CRob. Pitch 7 was not a strike. What a crock. CRob has to show he can hit outside pitches and had one to drive and missed it.

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:10 PM

        Guess he should have swung at that 3-1 changeup. It was actually in the zone.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:12 PM

        It was but he should have known what they were doing and cheat in a little bit and barrel up one.

  40. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    that was outside. bad call

  41. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Too close not to foul off…

  42. abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Jayson, this is your chance.

  43. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    Please score 2 runs… please.

  44. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    This would be a great time to break thru, Jayson

  45. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:09 PM

    out by a mile. ugh.

  46. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    Bases loaded…. no runs scored…. smdh

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM

      I shook my head off I am so pi$$ed.

      • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM

        All damn week.. and I don’t think they capitalized every time this has happened…

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:18 PM

        It’s been a while now. Like I wrote before CRob’s at-bat Espi should have gotten the start. It’s not even CRob’s at-bats, it’s the defense.

      • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

        Then I was thinking – why isJDubb swinging? This guy isn’t throwing strikes.

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM

      With a partial assist from the ump 😦

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:16 PM

        Yes, and that seems to bite the Nats in the a$$ a ton now these days on these 3-2 counts.

      • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:18 PM

        Thought the K was too close to not swing at,but this sort of thing has happened a lot recently.

  47. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Didn’t our positioning gurus remember what Peralta did the 1st time he faced him? Taylor should have been playing back against him. That should not happen.

  48. coop202 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    It’s like Matt Williams is unwinding… Why on earth is Clint Robinson batting 4th

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:17 PM

      He’s kind of husky, isn’t he?

      • coop202 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

        I think he’s hitting sub 200 the last month… Given the oddly low power mix of the last month from our top three, you’d want a contact guy there. I guess it’s Better than double play Ramos but silly not to have Werth higher just because it’s not coventional

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM

        I was making a joke about his prototypical larger frame for a cleanup hitter (even though he has zero power).

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

      Who else? Werth? With RZim resting, that’s the choice. I can’t believe any team would pitch him inside.

    • Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

      Who’s the alternative?

      • coop202 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:27 PM

        The two options I considered were Werth and Ramos, but looks like Desi might be entering another mini hot streak.

  49. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Last year I wanted another big bat during the off season. This off season I want another big bat.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

      If they make the decision to bench RZim or Werth than yes.

      • coop202 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM

        I wanted Cespedes soooo badly. insult to injury to see him go to the Mets

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:25 PM

        Me too if Rizzo had the b@lls to bench Werth. He didn’t.

    • Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM

      I’m thinking a good hitter. The bigger bats are heavier and harder to swing.

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:24 PM

        Didn’t Canseco use a 36/36? Now that’s some lumber.

      • Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:30 PM

        Yes, but he had pharmacological help, if I recall correctly.

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:32 PM

        Yes, I forgot about that.

  50. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    I guess Dez is mad he got benched yesterday.

    • Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM

      Good.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM

      Maybe he really just needed rest.

      • coop202 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:25 PM

        owns both hits today. I’ll take it from him for sure.

  51. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    Go the other way Buffalo!

  52. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Ramos is worthless!

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:27 PM

      So some keep saying here. I don’t get it. I guess those catcher ratings, RBIs, RISP, etc don’t matter.

  53. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Nice hit Ramos…

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:27 PM

      It was a great at-bat. Got it to 3-2 and fouled off some tough pitches.

  54. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    MAT is having a good at bat too…

  55. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    that was your pitch, Taylor. That was a meatball

  56. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    A 16 bouncer by Taylor to score that run! I will take the productive out.

  57. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Idk if it is worth it to challenge… sigh…

    The challenge the other day, I was livid about but im going to let the past stay in the past… new day.

  58. coop202 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    MAT steal second? maybe?

  59. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    great bunt Joe Ross… I was nervous there for a minute….

  60. TheBigDummy - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    This guy Hellickson is excruciating to watch. Almost as bad as that one clown down in Tampa.

    Hellickson also looks like he’d rather be anywhere else but here.

  61. simalex - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    decent inning overall.

  62. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    Left that one hanging…

  63. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Another 2-1 game.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:49 PM

      No no… Take that back, we are going to score more runs…

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:50 PM

        Nats need to capitalize on the poor Arizona pitching. Nats should have scored 4 runs at least.

      • Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:51 PM

        +1

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:02 PM

        +4

  64. jd - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    I feel like Salty only hits against us.

  65. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    and that is the problem…we don’t have good choices for the important 5-6 slots at the moment. Span will help move everyone down a slot.

  66. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Jayson, I would be fine if you were to hit double right over the 1st baseman’s head. I really would.

  67. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    Some interesting base running Bryce…

  68. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Come on Desi… plate Harper…

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:04 PM

      ANOTHER BASES LOADED SITUATION…. PLEASE GUYS, PLEASE… RIP THE BAND AID OFF AND SCORE…

  69. abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Not many runs yet for bases loaded a whole lot this game.

    Take advantage!

  70. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Hopefully, we don’t score here on some stupid ground ball or a K.

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:04 PM

      Yesssssss….it worked!

  71. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Yes…Wilson is back

  72. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    GLORY GLORY!!!!!

  73. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Oh…and….Ramos is worthless!

  74. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    ” #HORNSUP!!! @WRamosC3 smokes a two-run single to left field and the #Nats take a 4-1 lead as Harper & JW score!! http://t.co/pXCqOaXG5L

    Yep, that Ramos sucks. .320 with RISP and 2 more RBIs.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:19 PM

      so when Span is back and we assume health around the board…where does Ramos bat

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 9:05 PM

        8th I would think unless Taylor is playing LF then he would bat 8th

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 9:42 PM

        thanks…it’s been a conundrum for me given the way he is hitting lately

  75. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Nice effort, Joe. That almost fell.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:15 PM

      I thought it was going to fall… My sister, who is a real girly girl, said ‘ohh ohhh he is about to get a home run..’

      I had to give her the look with the straight line face… and then facepalm.

  76. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Ross still looks sharp. 78 pitches. Keep it rollin.

  77. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Werth has about 34 plate appearances since his return (.172)
    Zimmerman has 37 PAs (.219)
    Rendon 47 (.256) which is not bad

    … Harper thinks you need 100 before it all comes around. I’m hoping for 70 because we need our number 4-5 (5-6 when span returns) hitters back. that puts them back to prime time by August 15 or so.
    like NL says, the west coast trip will be another tough test (but i don’t think as bad as the pitching they faced after the ASB)

  78. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    Did Rendon give up on that ball up the middle? Could he have gotten to that?

  79. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    Don’t pull Ross, please.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:22 PM

      +1

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:40 PM

        +2

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:45 PM

        +3

    • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:39 PM

      veejh – Aug 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM

      Don’t pull Ross, please.

      Man, I got hammered last time when I defended MW for sending Ross out to start the 7th inning!

      (Proving that: if any starter ever gives up a run in the 7th, MW is at fault)

  80. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Im absolutely fine with that being Joe’s last inning. Especially given how he doesnt have many innings left and with Dougie’s impending move to the DL, we will need him for later.

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM

      MW should decide what he’s gonna do, and do the opposite.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:52 PM

        no manager has been more snake bit

  81. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Have we even seen the dynamic trio yet during the same game?

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:33 PM

      yes tuesday

  82. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    Ramos back to 2nd on the team with RBI’s, one more than MAT. Taylor’s batting average for a .245 hitter are rather otherworldly.

    • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:35 PM

      Darn it. His BA with RISP for a hitter with a .245 BA is otherworldly.

  83. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    a very unproductive 4-5…

  84. abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:38 PM

    Janssen, Storen, Papelbon. Like I said Tuesday, win or lose, it is the right decision. These guys are gonna be important if we can get back on track and go deep into October.

    Joe Ross was excellent, but no need to push him.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:41 PM

      can you use them for every win or close game ?

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:44 PM

        let’s assume for a second that Ross goes back to minors after Stras is activated saturday,,,,,his innings can be controlled then. I don’t think the talk about Fister going to the DL has enough evidence to make a decision based on it.
        Right now a win is more important than just one extra inning.

      • abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:44 PM

        You certainly can use then Thursday when they last pitched Tuesday. And you use them otherwise when you can.

        Do you feel that just because you can’t “always” use them you don’t then the situation calls and they are available?

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:45 PM

        No, i think you can make the same argument for not pushing Jansen.

      • abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM

        That is why they are opinions. I respect yours, but I think mine here is a good one.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:48 PM

        agree. results are important though

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM

        Do you think the situation called for them when Ross was cruising ?
        I don’t

      • abqnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:28 PM

        Well, I think results matter over the long term. But not the short. I do think it called for it here, as Ross has had innings limits all year, and his pitch count was getting high. If he had 15 fewer pitches, maybe different. But I didn’t see pushing him here, regardless of the outcome.

  85. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    So far, every time Ross gets pulled, the wheels fall off. They’re starting to fall off right now.

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:46 PM

      Jansen has been money lately… Hopefully he can dig deep and limit any damage.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:49 PM

        as has Ross today

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM

        and Tyler Moore

  86. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    I feel like the score should be 7 -1… Come on Jansen.

  87. hitmeimopen - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Here’s where they fall apart. It has been like deja vu every game. Score way too few runs early and then lay a turd with our BP.

  88. Mrsb loves the Nats - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    Has C Rob ever gotten to 1 of those….

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:52 PM

      if we didn’t need tymo in the bullpen, he should be there

  89. Danny - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Beyond the breaking point. Unbelievable

  90. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    and Matt with the hot hand.

  91. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    I love exciting baseball!

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:55 PM

      Not right now. We need some stress free wins.

      • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:58 PM

        Too late. Got the bourbon and Maalox out here.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:57 PM

      Speak for yourself, Veejh my friend. Parades are boring, besides, they’re fascist. Pennant races are more democratic.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:00 PM

        as are marches but i love a parade

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:01 PM

        come on! I’m all about a pennant race, but some easy wins would go a long way right now.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:04 PM

        As an old friend of mine used to say, when you’re being run out of town, go to the front and make like it’s a parade in your honor.

  92. Big Red W - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Hallelujah

  93. stoatva - Aug 6, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    Ze beisbols she ees a funny game, no?

  94. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    our luck is changing

  95. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    You’re out of challenges, but there’s exceptions to that rule. OK, got it. I hate all of this crap, but at least the Nats finally got a break by the replay.

  96. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    safe

  97. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    I think MAT was out.

    • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:06 PM

      Conclusive?

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:07 PM

      could be but the evidence may not have been there to overturn

  98. Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    I think MAT came up off the bag after the tag, maybe.

  99. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    two reviews for one player

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:08 PM

      I wonder if anyone has ever been reviewed for the cycle?

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:09 PM

        it could happen if you ask the umpire nicely

  100. joemktg - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:08 PM

    “Credit MAT for a great reach around.”

    Sorry: Carp laid it out there.

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:16 PM

      ha!

  101. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:08 PM

    Well, in theory both teams are out of challenges. Unless they aren’t. Maybe.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM

      The umpires can review any reviewable play they choose, anytime. So there’s that. Which is nice.

  102. Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    WHT is wrong with the air there? How many balls have died short these past few days??

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM

      its cooler today…not your typical HHH (Hazy hot humid) summer day

  103. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    a big run and a good sign

  104. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    Give Taylor a ton of credit. I think. Maybe. But certainly RZimm deserves credit Should Ryan stay in the game for defense?

    • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:13 PM

      Of course he can’t.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:14 PM

      wow!!! what reflexes

  105. Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:13 PM

    I still miss Livan.

  106. Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Well, the veterans are all showing up today.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:18 PM

      Joe, did you mean here or on the field? 😉

      • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:35 PM

        Yes.

  107. Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    I’m blaming Carpenter for putting the Mickey on Drew there, talking about how he throws so many strikes.

  108. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    could be the best 8-9 n the business….could go a long way

  109. Met fan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    As a met fan can someone give me the scouting report on trea turner? What Is he projected to be? Just curious

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:20 PM

      Met fan: he’s projected to be spectacular. And one of the fastest humans in the sport.

      For now, he’s playing shortstop.

      • Met fan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM

        Thank you

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:25 PM

        YW.

        Seriously, like Rickey, he could do nothing but bunt and still hit .300. Crazy fast. A few scouts were not convinced his arm would play at short, but they seem to have been won over. He’s still young and skinny, so power TBD, but might be respectable.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM

      hi upside….and that’s why desmond will be a met next year

      • Met fan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM

        No we have a SS too not as good as trea turner from what I understand but I would take him over desmond name is Gavin cecciliani

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:29 PM

        The Mets haven’t had a shortstop since weak hitting bud harrelson.

    • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM

      Total.world.domination, I predict.

    • tcostant - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM

      Gary Templeton.

  110. IsawTeddywin - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    Ramos and Desi Rake, Zimm with clutch RBI, reliever meltdown survived, and 500 trolls weep in dismay.
    1 more inning guys, go Nats!

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM

      it aint over until the last goat sings

      • veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM

        LOL

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:27 PM

        well there will be no baaahhing tonight
        and
        MW is a genious…of course, CR at cleanup….wow

      • IsawTeddywin - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:28 PM

        Wrong, it’s over when he stops singing, and I’ll gladly never hear him again.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:30 PM

        Indeed

      • Joe Seamhead - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:30 PM

        DING! DING,DING! We got a winner!

    • unkyd59 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM

      Hahaha!!!😛

  111. sec112 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    Clearly should have had Desmond sit tonight.

    And Thornton is done. Zimmerman too.

    • Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:27 PM

      Trade ’em all for two bags of balls and used resin bag.

  112. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    now i remember why we scored so many runs last year. these are the saddest of possible words, rendon to harper to zimm…better than

  113. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    Game. Over.

    Woohoo!!!!!!

  114. Eugene in Oregon - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    I was about to suggest that the Nats get one of those sidearm/submariner guys, but maybe not.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:29 PM

      They can get that Lamb kid anytime, by me. Good looking stuff.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:29 PM

      They can get that Lamb kid anytime, by me. Good looking stuff.

  115. Ghost of Steve M. - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    Way to go Clint! That was the icing!

  116. unkyd59 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    HEY NOW!!

  117. Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    So now they don’t need Papelbon, but he was probably up. He hasn’t had much work. Use him anyway, right?

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:29 PM

      Nope. Treinan.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:30 PM

        “The B-Trein” is a little too forced, isn’t it?

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:32 PM

        And a bit New Yawkey.

        Nevermind.

  118. adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:32 PM

    Re: Clint

    I saw his first at bat — 7 pitches all away, ending in a K.

    Just saw the most recent at bat: four pitches outside, 2-2 count.

    And then . . . then . . . a single pitch inside. BOOOM!!!

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:33 PM

      He’s a mistake hitter. That’s why he’s a 30-year-old rookie. In his favor, he’s hit quite a few of them so far, which only helps the Nats, and us.

      • adcwonk - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:37 PM

        He’s a mistake hitter

        True, that. What enables him to survive is that, it seems to me, he makes the pitcher pay for their mistakes more than many other hitters.

  119. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    Treinen in a low lev. At least pass this test.

  120. Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Robinson talking to Schu in the dugout. Probably telling him (or thanking him for the tip) that whatever Zeigler throws a left-hander batter that looks inside will come back in over the plate. That pitch started a foot-and-a half inside and Robinson waited and timed it.

  121. manassasnatsfan - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Got home from work in time to see the Harper single and the CRob homer.

    Go Nats

  122. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    such filthy stuff. This is one guy I wanna see put it together and help this team.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM

      Agreed. If he learns to pitch, he’ll be dangerous.

    • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:37 PM

      i think he throws out bunters better at least…..barrett’s got the steve sax syndrome

  123. veejh - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:39 PM

    Nice win. Rockies next should be a nice springboard before the road trip.

  124. Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:39 PM

    Treinen not perfect but Barrett likely would have found a way to screw it up. Cheap shot, I know.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 8:05 PM

      On Treinan or on Barrett? He struck out the side, and got a ground ball to the right side that snuck through.

      Geez, this is a tough crowd!

  125. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    oh my…an encouraging game….the bench keeps hitting, Zimm’s and Desmond’s stroke, the rendon/harper machine and Treinan for Blake…how could we ever lose again

  126. dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    well i was wrong…fister to the BP

    • Theophilus T.S. - Aug 6, 2015 at 8:05 PM

      So when they add Strasburg to the roster on Saturday, then what happens? Treinen goes back down?

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Aug 6, 2015 at 8:07 PM

        Good question.

        Seems unlikely they’d carry six starters, seven if you’re counting Roark.

      • dcwx61 - Aug 6, 2015 at 9:46 PM

        i hope not, now we already have two starters in the pen..

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