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Nats 4, Mets 3: Huge 8th-inning rally turns series around

Jul 22, 2015, 3:37 PM EST

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GAME IN A NUTSHELL: The Nationals insisted all along they weren’t going to place extra emphasis on this series, no matter how big the Mets tried to make it. Well, down to their last four outs and in danger of seeing their lead in the division fall to one measly game, the Nats might have suddenly felt a sense of urgency at last. And thanks to a couple huge hits by Michael Taylor and Danny Espinosa, they stole this game back, took the series and dealt their chief NL East rival a big blow.

Taylor’s 2-out, 2-run single to left off Bobby Parnell in the bottom of the eighth turned a 2-run deficit into a tie game. And after he stole second, the Nationals rookie outfielder then scored on Espinosa’s opposite-field double, giving the Nats their first lead of the day and leaving the sellout crowd of 41,291 jumping up and down in celebration.

The victory did come at a potential cost, with Yunel Escobar appearing to suffer a left wrist injury during his second-inning at-bat, ultimately walking directly off the field after fouling off a pitch and dropping his bat in obvious pain. If the veteran third baseman is seriously injured, he would become the fifth member of the Nationals’ regular lineup to take up space on the DL.

That, though, only made Wednesday’s come-from-behind win sweeter, because it was sorely needed on a day that was looking mighty bad for the Nats. Instead, they now head to Pittsburgh with a 3-game lead on New York, hoping they can now start getting some of these injured regulars back in their lineup.

HITTING HIGHLIGHT: He still has his rookie moments, but Taylor has sure delivered his share of big moments as well this summer. He had already driven in the Nationals’ first run of the day with a 2-out single to left in the bottom of the fourth. Then he delivered an even bigger one in the bottom of the eighth. With the count 3-2 after a wild pitch moved two runners into scoring position, he drilled a sharp single to left as the crowd exploded. That gives Taylor 35 RBI in 256 at-bats this season, not bad at all for a rookie who has mostly hit first or eighth in the Nationals’ lineup.

PITCHING HIGHLIGHT: For the most part, Zimmermann was quite effective. But a ragged top of the fourth kind of spoiled his outing. The Mets strung together four hits in the frame, including back-to-back 2-out RBI knocks from Kirk Nieuwenhuis and Kevin Plawecki. Otherwise, Zimmermann was solid, putting only three other batters on base and letting only one other reach scoring position. He finished strong, too, retiring the last seven batters he faced before departing with his pitch count at 102.

KEY STAT: Bryce Harper’s 6.6 WAR (according to Baseball-Reference’s formula) through 92 games already ranks as the second-best season in Nationals club history. Only Ryan Zimmerman’s 7.3 WAR in 2009 was better.

UP NEXT: The Nats head out of town for a tough, 10-game road trip, with plenty more elite pitchers waiting for them. It begins Thursday in Pittsburgh, when Francisco Liriano (5-6, 2.98) starts for the Pirates against Doug Fister (3-5, 4.30) at 7:05 p.m.

110 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. alexva6 - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:38 PM

    way to go boys!

  2. Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:40 PM

    The Mets have a beef. Not many strikes there thrown by Drew. Ramos must be a master framer 😉

    • nattygoats - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:43 PM

      Umpire has reservations at Carmines

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:45 PM

        He must. That was awful but in FPs mind it must be great framing.

    • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:34 PM

      Serious question: how many of those strikes were balls?

      It looked like (sitting behind the plate but in the 300 level) that the called strike 3 on the second batter was inside. (And it also looked like a few of the sliders that were strikes seemed to be a bit outside).

      Anyone?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:36 PM

        I will look it up but the strike to Neuwenhuis I thought was outside and pulled in by Ramos.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:40 PM

        Wow, only that 1 pitch that I thought was outside was. All the others were legit.

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:44 PM

        Thanks for posting that.

        Only seven pitches that inning in the strike zone (!). One called strike outside. Three swinging strikes outside.

        Just . . . wow. I guess, in part, the players just couldn’t see/hit that slider very well, eh?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM

        He set them up with the heater and then went out of the zone to get them fishing.

        Got big help on that 3-2 pitch to Neiwenhuis . That was a gift

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:53 PM

        Got big help on that 3-2 pitch to Neiwenhuis . That was a gift

        Yep. That was the one, in particular, that I thought was a ball all the way in the 300 level. Neiwenhuis wasn’t happy about it.

        How big a deal is it when it’s a one-run game in the ninth – -between two-out-nobody on, and one-out-one-on.

        Huge gift.

        I guess calls generally even out over the year, eh? 😉

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:58 PM

        Needed to get one after that Greinke game.

  3. Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM

    I like how Storen vets them in swing mode and buries the slider. If Barrett could do that…

  4. Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    The Legion of Doom departed quickly. BABIP worked for MAT, it didn’t for TyMo and he killed the ball.

    • rayvil01 - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:19 PM

      The interesting thing about MAT was that he got the two hits without his sunglasses. Every time he wore the glasses up he whiffed. He started out with them in the first, took them off to get the RBI in the 4th, put ’em back on and whiffed, then took them off to get the big hit in the 8th. I think I’d leave them off when batting.

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:24 PM

        Really? Wow — that’s quite an observation!

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM

        Interesting. Let Mark Zuckerman know that.

      • rayvil01 - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:39 PM

        Not sure how to do that, Ghost.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:44 PM

        If you’re sure, it’s quite the observation. You can Twitter him or email him. I think he lists his email on this page

      • rayvil01 - Jul 22, 2015 at 10:12 PM

        Thanks. I found the email and forwarded it. Yes. I’m very sure of it. I mentioned it to the wife who took the day off to watch the game. When he came up in the 8th I said, “Hit coming. He took his glasses back off.” Go figure.

    • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:43 PM

      I stayed as long as I could down in ,Natstown.
      It could have been one of the best july weather day in some time with a lovely breeze from the west.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:58 PM

        Soak it in!

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:59 PM

        yes…it’s rare to have a july day with low humidity and a comeback win with Uggla batting cleanup….but out west you always have this kind of weather only nicer

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:01 PM

        Rained heavy this week so it’s not perfect all the time.

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:04 PM

        that was unusual…We were amazed at the flash flood weather desk…I10 closed…I think it was the first rainout in LA in July and San DeAhgo had more rain in one day than it ever had in a whole :July month!

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:10 PM

        Creates a lot of mud and havoc on the golf courses.

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:11 PM

        lol

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:13 PM

        All Star game is in San Diego next year. That will be a good time!

  5. nattygoats - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    All the way home I’m thinking of how to rip the team. By the time I parked got out walked in and turned on tv we were ahead. Who hoooooooooo. I’m going to Longhorn tonight baby

    • chaz11963 - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:53 PM

      You certainly ride a roller coaster all season. Your blood pressure must be crazy high.

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:31 PM

        Agreed. You’ll live longer by chillin’ out a bit.

        Life’s too short as it is — might as well have some fun with it.

      • bowdenball - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM

        I’m the captain of team Long Season, but I can understand where nattygoats is coming from here. That was a huge, huge win and it would have been a really tough loss. The difference between a one game lead and three game lead is just enormous, and the Mets have to be disheartened after throwing their aces at a lineup missing Werth, Rendon Span and Zim and leaving town worse off than when they arrived. It might even downsize their trade deadline moves; the front office might not be willing to part with too much now that a playoff spot is that much less likely.

      • nattygoats - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:56 PM

        Yeah and I’m not exactly at an ideal weight either

  6. natsfan1a - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    Atta way, Nats! Nice win, very nice.

  7. chaz11963 - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    Easy peasy

  8. shawndc04 - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Clutch, MAT!

  9. jfmii - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Whoa, Irene, what a win! Desmond, Taylor, denDekker and Espinosa. JZim, Thornton, Storen. Yahoo.

  10. chaz11963 - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    Desi was 2 for 2 with 2 BBs and a SB. Has Old Desi come back to us???

    • ArVAFan - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:34 PM

      From your lips to the baseball gods’ ears!

  11. micksback1 - Jul 22, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    As I posted yesterday and throughout, Michael A is a “Special” player. I also posted, let’s hope Desi’s HR is the start of him breaking out of his slump….well done Desi, well done!!!

    huge huge win and Espi just keeps reinforcing that he is the NL comeback player of the year

  12. Theophilus T.S. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:00 PM

    Espinosa may well be Comeback Player of the Year. And Harper by most standards will be the Nats MVP. But we should create a special award for Espinosa — “Most Indispensable Player.” Without his ability to play everywhere, and his new on base skills, the Nats would be in dire straits.

    • micksback1 - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:01 PM

      agreed, Espi’s defense was never in question, he is probably the best fielder on the team along with Span

    • janebeard - Jul 23, 2015 at 10:11 AM

      Totally agree. He is such a hero in my book.

  13. Doc - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    We don’t need Billy Burns now, we got den Decker!

    • Karl Kolchak - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:20 PM

      I thought when the second Blevins trade was made that the Nats got the better end of the deal given that den Decker looked like he had the potential to be a decent 4th OF for a few years–and that was before Blevins got injured and went out for what will be last season before he hit free agency. I’d still rather have Burns, but Blevins was at least a vital member of last’s years bullpen.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:20 PM

      Sorry, den Dekker is the poor mans McLouth. Burns is the rich mans McLouth. Den Dekker is the 5th or 6th man on the bench as he’s toolsy.

      CRob has to go back to the bench. Teams seem to be trying to pull it hard and see what CRob does. He’s getting exposed this week. Power is not great. OBP is very good.

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM

        I noticed, too, when he was batting, the Mets gave him such huge holes on the left side if the infield — some of the largest I’ve ever seen. If he could just check swing a grounder to that side . . . .

      • masterfishkeeper - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:30 PM

        I’m not sold on Burns being that good.

        My guess is that we’ll see CRob and TMoore platooning at 1B until Zimmerman returns, and I hope MW is more ready to use Moore as a defensive replacement at 1B.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:35 PM

        I’m sold on Burns and I’m not saying as a star but as a solid starter.

        TyMo can play better defense. They are killing CRob over there, and you can’t say he isn’t getting enough reps.

      • nattygoats - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:57 PM

        NO den Decker plays. McCullough been hurt for like 5 years

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:59 PM

        Sutan McCullough?

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:46 PM

        I’m sold on Billy Burns being a poor man’s ty cobb.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:58 PM

        LOL, yes but he’s a spikes down type of guy and gets along with everyone.

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:00 PM

        Except for that….am reading the latest book on Cobb….good book the author is going out of his way to explain that Cobb wasn’t such a bad guy….just misunderstood I guess like Donald Trump ?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:03 PM

        LOL. A different era. I’m old enough to remember how times were different even back in the 60’s. Can’t imagine what it was like back in the early 1900’s when Cobb played.

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:07 PM

        It was a tough breed…Plenty of fist fights with your teammates, the cranks (fans) and even umpires (Ruth knocked an umpire out in 1920) but then they started to make a living and it became respectable by the 20s…the best book of all time is the 1966 interviews with the old time players called
        “The Glory of Their Times”

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM

      BTW I like den Dekker and have said so but I like him as a bench guy. He won the Friday night Dodgers game on the 2 run HR

  14. langleyclub - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    If Escobar is going to miss time, wonder if that will accelerate Rendon’s return.

    Will be interesting to see what the Nats do when Werth and Span return. Until recently, it seemed like a given that MAT would be sent back to Syracuse until the rosters expand on September 1. Now, I think that MAT stays, and he rotates with Span and Werth to keep them fresh and healthy. FWIW, the way MAT’s defense has come on, Werth has to hit very well to justify keeping MAT on the bench as he saves a lot of runs in either LF or CF.

    • masterfishkeeper - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:16 PM

      I think Escobar’s injury is very likely to accelerate Rendon’s return. Also, it simplifies the issue of where to play Rendon. If Esco has to go on the DL, maybe he could learn to play 2B when he rehabs?

      I don’t see any way Taylor goes back down. At a minimum, he can be a defensive replacement and also spell Span and Werth.

      • Karl Kolchak - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:25 PM

        It depends on how determined they are to retain both Uggla and Moore–at least one of whom would have to be DFA’ed once everybody is activated on the 25-man roster. Taylor could go back to Syracuse for a few weeks, play everyday there, and return on 9/1 (along with den Decker) once the rosters expand.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 6:18 PM

        That’s right Karl, Rizzo will get creative so he doesn’t DFA Uggla or TyMo.

  15. Old Wino - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    4 days in Pittsburgh. Wouldn’t mind splitting. Go Nats!

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:28 PM

      Nats swept them a few weeks ago and a split is ok but still hope for a Nats series win.

  16. virginiascopist - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    Fingers (and everything else) crossed for Escobar. I’m not sure “veteran third baseman” is an accurate description, however.

    • natsnatsnatswoo - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:31 PM

      He’s a veteran, and he’s a third baseman now. Nothing wrong with that description.

      • scmargenau - Jul 23, 2015 at 1:09 AM

        Grammar fail

  17. rayvil01 - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    I didn’t like Harper grabbing that hand. FP was saying he wouldn’t mouth the name, which I assume was Hammate Bone. But, it looked a little more in between the tendons midway to the knuckles. At that point I’m thinking the game is over but hopefully Bryce would get another AB. He did, but the Intentional Walk meant he didn’t swing.

    Will be really relieved to see him swing freely tomorrow. That’s a coffin nail if he goes out.

  18. rlndtln - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:25 PM

    Need 2 additional players .Turner should be called up asap.It is only a month sooner.We need him now with Esco out.And he will be out.

    • Danny - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:26 PM

      When Rendon is back even if Escobar is back we have a full IF

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:30 PM

      I don’t agree. Rendon to 3rd, Desi SS, Espinosa 2nd, TyMo 1st. Roark to AAA to make room for Rendon.

    • Karl Kolchak - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM

      I totally disagree. By all accounts, Rendon is at most a few days away. There is no need to start Turner’s free agency clock yet–and service time accumulated before the rosters expand on 9/1 counts, whereas after 9/1 it does not. Not to mention that Turner is not a third basemen and we already have a SS who, whatever else you might say about him, rarely gets injured and is just now finally starting to come around at the plate.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM

        +1 he would sit on the bench

      • natsnatsnatswoo - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:19 PM

        Service time after 9/1 does count, just as much as any other days on the MLB active roster. Except for playoffs. That time doesn’t count.

    • Bruxtun - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:56 PM

      You’re the jabroni who thought the Nats were stupid and the Mets were so much smarter for lining up their rotation 1-2-3 for this series. Actually you said “everyone” is smarter than us. How’d that work out for them?

      Looks like you have no problems drawing the hard line on what “should” be done. Often wrong, never in doubt.

  19. adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    Just got back from the ball park (on my one year ante-versary <– thanks Sofa).

    Great day – great weather. Our boys kept plugging away, after 10 LOB finally getting some home.

    OK — who had Desi and den Dekker getting on base eight times?

    • zmunchkin - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:43 PM

      wonk, I think you need to get the credit for the late innings win.

      The baseball gods were rewarding you for how you decided to celebrate your ante-versary!

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM

        wonk, I think you need to get the credit for the late innings win.
        The baseball gods were rewarding you for how you decided to celebrate your ante-versary!

        Aww shucks, thanks! It sure ended up being a great & fun spontaneous afternoon for me (and, I think, first time in my life I ever went to a baseball game by myself). I, indeed, had a great time.

        (And an assist to my daughter, the Wonkling, who was following the game on TV, and informed me afterwards that she was praying that they’d win for me 😉 )

        Later I will try to post a text or two I got from her during the game. It’s pretty funny.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:49 PM

        +1

    • Soul Possession, My Sofa - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:01 PM

      “OK — who had Desi and den Dekker getting on base eight times?”

      Bizarro-Goat?

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:52 PM

        In Bizarro Goat world, den Dekker always walks and Desmond never makes an out

    • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:51 PM

      happy anniversary….if i recall last year, you were in Hagerstown ?
      Anyway…..i give the win to the 10th kid (it was camp day and the kids were awesome cheering lets go Robinson, Lets go Wilson and of course lets go Harper)

      • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 9:59 PM

        ante-versary: as in one year to go until my retirement (Sofa coined the phrase this morning — thanks, S!)

      • dcwx61 - Jul 22, 2015 at 10:01 PM

        oh…lol ! and it was Joe S who took his wife to Hagerstown for their anniversary i think ?

  20. Theophilus T.S. - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    This has the look of another hamate bone injury. Don’t mean to be negative but be prepared for four+ weeks and be happy if it isn’t.

    • masterfishkeeper - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:03 PM

      if you’re talking about Escobar, X-ray was negative. Might be some other kind of damage, of course.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

      6 weeks.

  21. scnatsfan - Jul 22, 2015 at 4:58 PM

    I’m thinking we draft guys and immediately have their hamate bone removed

    • Soul Possession, My Sofa - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:05 PM

      “Embrace the Suck — it is the only way.”

    • NatsLady - Jul 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM

      And give them Tommy John while you’re at it. In the mean time, four words,

      “Hire Werth’s wrist specialist.”

  22. Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    The Terry Collins post game news conference was like someone died. He took all the blame.

    • adcwonk - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:18 PM

      He took all the blame.

      It’s too early for the Mets to think it’s do-or-die. That’s unnecessary pressure. It’s still July. 3 games out with 65+ games left is not exactly insurmountable.

      They need some hitting — plain and simple. No amount of fancy-manager-stuff is going to make up for that.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

        I should’ve been more specific. He was apologizing for not bringing in Familia who was ready when Taylor got to bat.

    • natsnatsnatswoo - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

      That makes him the total opposite of Matt Williams, who never takes any of the blame. Even when he deserves it.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:22 PM

        That’s not true.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM

        That’s not true. I’ve seen him take blame.

      • natsnatsnatswoo - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:24 PM

        Okay. Cite chapter and verse of when he did so.

      • Section 222 - Jul 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM

        I’m not sure it’s right to say he never takes the blame, but I really can’t think of any time he’s said that an in game strategy call he made was wrong. Rare for any manager to say that really, they always have a reason for what they did and can always say, “it just didn’t work out.”

  23. langleyclub - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Does Turner have to be on the 40 man roster before 9/1 to be eligible for the post-season?

    The Nats might want to keep that option open.

    • natsnatsnatswoo - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM

      There is absolutely no way Turner will play in the postseason this year, even if he is eligible.

      • scnatsfan - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:31 PM

        I don’t think you can say that. He keeps tearing up AAA and Desi keeps ’embracing the suck’ then we do what is best for the team, especially since Desi is moving on. No matter what, he gets the QO, declines and signs for $100M elsewhere.

      • natsnatsnatswoo - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

        Let me amend that to say “barring multiple injuries.” But if there are multiple injuries, the Nats will likely not be in the playoffs.

      • Soul Possession, My Sofa - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:46 PM

        I see I need to clarify the expression.
        The suck in question there is like The Grind.

        Baseball is a simple game, but it is very hard to do at the top level. Doing it for 162 games, plus, there is an unavoidable friction (to borrow Clauswitz’s term)

      • Soul Possession, My Sofa - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:48 PM

        That posted before i was ready.

        *Clausewitz

      • Soul Possession, My Sofa - Jul 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM

        There will be injuries. There will be slumps. There will be bad days. Embrace that reality, because it IS reality.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 6:23 PM

        Don’t count anything out when many teams put a speedster on the bench to be the 25th man on the postseason roster. Those opportunities to pull a slow runner is invaluable in the playoffs as you saw with the Royals.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jul 22, 2015 at 6:24 PM

      Langleyclub, yes you have to be on the 40 man to play in September and the postseason.

  24. rlndtln - Jul 22, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Bruxton.The Mets Collins made the perfect move for his team.The only way he could beat us with the misfit hitters he has was to pitch his top 3 and it almost worked.But he is smart as he did it for another reason the fact he will have the same 3 next weekend against us.Mw never takes a chance and do something outside the box.Collins often will use Familia for 4or 5 outs.I think he is kicking himself for not doing it today.however Familia had thrown 20 pitches last night.Yes I do think he was smart to do what he did with his pitching considering his team and his I believe 47-19 losing record against us.

    • virginiascopist - Jul 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM

      I think the first mistake was using Familia last night with a five-run lead. Not sure who else was available, but it seems that decision really came back to bite them.

    • Bruxtun - Jul 22, 2015 at 7:27 PM

      Yeah well next they have to face Kershaw and Greinke with Colon and Niese pitching for them. How is that the “perfect move”? Every move has advantages and disadvantages, there pretty much is no perfect move in all of baseball. The advantage part didn’t work for them and they’ve possibly set themselves up for even more damage. If they lose both those games, will you still say how smart it was?

      I don’t think it was a bad or stupid move by Collins but you clearly thought it was the move of a baseball savant that outsmarted our team. The truth is often somewhere in the middle of the extremes, not “this is why everyone is smarter than us” horse apples.

  25. rlndtln - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:02 PM

    Each game against us counts 2.Greinke has not given up a run in 5 games and Kershaw as we saw was unhittable.They are far better off pitching there 2 weak pitches against them rather than lose with the top 2 against Greinke and Kershaw and then get swept,They at least have a great chance of winning 2.Remember the Mets can not hit period.Collins is a very good manager managing at times 5 guys hitting less than 200.His move was the only one he had whether it results in more or less wins is hard to say.But one thing I will say is MW is not a good manager.He was badly out managed in the playoffs and I have little confidence in him going forward.

  26. rlndtln - Jul 22, 2015 at 8:15 PM

    Great win.Up next we will see Cole,Fernandez and the big 3 in New YorkA 5-5 trip would be terrific.

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