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Game 64: Nats at Rays

Jun 15, 2015, 3:45 PM EDT

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Bryce Harper is back in the Nationals lineup tonight, his left knee/quad apparently feeling well enough for him to hit after sitting out yesterday’s game in Milwaukee. But Harper won’t be fully participating in the game at Tampa Bay; since they’re playing in an AL park, he’ll be able to serve as designated hitter for the night, reducing the amount of stress on his leg two days after getting struck by a fastball.

So it’s Clint Robinson again in right field, with Danny Espinosa again at first base. Ian Desmond, meanwhile, bats ninth on the heels of a dreadful series against the Brewers in which he at one point went 0-for-11 with 10 strikeouts.

Gio Gonzalez takes the mound against the surprisingly competitive Rays, who are currently being led offensively by old pal Steven Souza Jr. (team-high 12 homers, though he’s hitting a paltry .216).

I’m not in St. Petersburg for this brief, 2-game series, but please keep up the conversation here and be sure to check back in the morning for remote analysis…

WASHINGTON NATIONALS at TAMPA BAY RAYS
Where:
Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Fla.
Gametime: 7:10 p.m. EDT
TV: MASN2, MLB.tv
Radio: 106.7 FM, 1500 AM, XM 177/869
Weather: Indoors

NATIONALS (33-30)
CF Denard Span
2B Anthony Rendon
3B Yunel Escobar
DH Bryce Harper
C Wilson Ramos
RF Clint Robinson
1B Danny Espinosa
LF Michael Taylor
SS Ian Desmond
(LHP Gio Gonzalez)

RAYS (35-29)
LF Brandon Guyer
DH Joey Butler
3B Evan Longoria
2B Logan Forsythe
RF Steven Souza Jr.
1B Jake Elmore
SS Asdrubal Cabrera
CF Kevin Kiermaier
C Rene Rivera
(RHP Erasmo Ramirez)

UMPIRES
HP Jim Reynolds
1B Manny Gonzalez
2B Paul Schrieber
3B Fieldin Culbreth

316 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 3:48 PM

    “#Nats @ #Rays: SpanCF, Rendon2B, Escobar3B, Harper DH, Ramos C, Robinson RF, Espinosa1B, Taylor LF, Desmond SS, Gio P http://t.co/7g62skKzhl

    Good, like I suggested earlier, at least if you play Desi then bat him 8th.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM

      Nice to see Bryce Harper back in the line-up!

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:20 PM

      That’s right, AL with DH and Desi batting 9th.

      • Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:25 PM

        Right. Batting 9th with Span behind him is fine. Batting 8th with the pitcher behind him is not.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:28 PM

        So you propose on Wednesday to bat pitcher 8th and Desi 9th?

        Funny MW is willing to do this but left RZim in the 5 most of the season.

      • Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:30 PM

        No. I could understand that, but I doubt it will happen. Back on NL soil, I don’t think Desi should bat 8th.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM

        Where do you bat him? He could sit a game or so but MW wants him to get out of the slump by playing.

      • Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:47 PM

        6th or 7th. 8th is just asking for continued futility.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:50 PM

        I see what you’re saying. I just wouldn’t bat him 6th as there’s too many RBI opportunities in the 6.

      • Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM

        Ok, meeting of the minds, Desi bats 7th. That’s probably where he belongs at this point.

    • Toot D. Blan - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:48 PM

      Boswell had a good argument today for the Nats batting the pitcher 8th. He wasn’t talking Desmond at 9th, but that would probably work as well as MAT does. The downside of this, of course, is that you’re descending to Riggleman level.

      Q: Pitchers eighth?

      Hi Tom, The Nationals have faced two teams recently, Chicago and Cincinnati, that batted their pitchers eighth rather than ninth. Do advanced statistics support this strategy?
      A: Thomas Boswell

      Here’s a good story on why Tony LaRussa did and why Maddon often does.

      I love the idea. As general theory, I think the jury is still out. But if you have the right personnel, I’d do it right now.

      What is that ideal? 1) You have a young developing hitter with speed who might have his career damaged by hitter in front of the pitcher (where he might see endless breaking balls) and 2) you also have a veteran hitter who, statistically, has shown that it doesn’t bother him to hit in front of the pitcher.

      The Nats have both. Michael A. Taylor would develop better, in theory, if he batted ninth with Span and Rendon behind him, protecting him. Ramos has had remarkable success batting 8th, so he could hit seventh in a Maddon Lineup.

      I think the Nats should consider it on days when the personnel suits it. But it’s not a clear cut “Yes.” You can’t hide that darn pitcher. If he hits eighth, he’s GOING to come up with there bases loaded and two outs and you’re going to want to pull your hair out because you sacrificed having a “real hitter” in that spot.
      — Jun 15, 2015 11:54 EDT

  2. markgrabowsky - Jun 15, 2015 at 3:49 PM

    How long until Desmond is batting 9th?

    • Eric - Jun 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM

      Approximately 3 hours and 18 minutes.

  3. natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    Bud Black fired in San Diego. He’ll be managing in the ML somewhere next season. Maybe even in Atlanta.

    • jd - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM

      Wow,

      That’s a good manager. I think the new GM expected instant results with the moves he made in the off season.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM

      Saw that and anyone who has had to manage Justin Upton, BJ Upton and Matt Kemp better be prepared for issues. JUp and Kemp are both talented and both have been traded for reason other than stats.

      • Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:29 PM

        Your evidence for that Ghost? I’ve heard nothing about JUpton being a problem, but this is the second time you suggested it. The first time you said, he must have been a problem or the D-backs wouldn’t have traded him. That’s like saying Escobar must have been a clubhouse cancer or the Braves, Jays, and Rays wouldn’t have traded him. It’s bunk and not fair to the player. So give us some details or stop with the insinuations.

        JUpton is having an All Star season. He’s not the problem in San Diego.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:39 PM

        He was a problem in Arizona and there was never a lot written about it and he dserved a 2nd chance Don’t know why he was traded from Atlanta but heard that was part of the rebuild.

        Kemp very similar but you put me me me types together in the same clubhouse and you get problems and I’ve heard that the Padres are suffering from clubhouse leadership

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:48 PM

        BTW, I got my intel on JUp in Arizona directly from a player. I never heard anything negative about JUp in Atlana but I also know Kemp was a problem in the Dodgers clubhouse.

        I wish them luck in San Diego.

      • Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:22 PM

        He last played in Arizona in 2012. Do you really put a lot of weight on that intell? At any rate, his splits this year are: .286/.366/.491/.857 with 13 HRs, 41 RBI and 13 steals. For anyone not named Bryce Harper or Giancarlo Stanton, those are very impressive numbers. And the Padres would only be 2 games behind the Nats if they played in the NL East. The Nats had even higher expectations than the Padres this year. Can you imagine Rizzo firing MW at this point. Seems like the GM had an itchy trigger finger. Bud Black is a really good manager.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:33 PM

        I think people can change. 2012 was 2012 and every thing I heard was that things were fine with JUp in Atlanta.

        According to San Diego blogs there issues is lack of clubhouse leadership and Bud Black took the fall for the GMs issues. All I see from stats is they’re scoring more runs than last year but also giving up more runs.

  4. nats106 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    10 K’s in 11 ABs?

    They need to come up with a new name to replace the golden sombrero.

    The golden desmond? THe titanium sombrero just doesn’t seem to do this justice (or injustice)

    • Eric - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:12 PM

      Platinum sombrero?

      • Eric - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:15 PM

        Never mind, apparently platinum sombrero refers to 5 Ks in a game. Titanium sombrero or double-platinum sombrero apparently refers to 6 Ks in a game.

        How about plutonium sombrero? Too harsh? 😉

      • masterfishkeeper - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:40 PM

        Imagine how Desmond would do if he had to face Scherzer?

      • natsfan1a - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:56 PM

        Is plutonium sombrero taken?

      • Candide - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM

        Kryptonite sombrero?

  5. exposedindc - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    wow, gotta believe this is performance in the field and at the plate is gonna cost Desi some coin at the negotiating table, how long before his agent calls Rizzo and says ” remember that number you brought up a while back? “

  6. paulfortier - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    My suggestion : the Kryptonyte sombrero.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:38 PM

      He will have to go some to rival Brett Lawrie’s 4k’s on 12 pitches performance in April. Which I have heard referred to as the Uranium a Sombrero.

    • Candide - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:01 PM

      I owe you a drink; didn’t read down past Eric’s post above before replying.

  7. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:46 PM

    He’ll snap out of it eventually.

  8. micksback1 - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:46 PM

    remember in 2013, davey stuck too long with espi before sedning him down. Espi clearly worked hsi tail off and is now a cnadidate for the NL comeback player of the year. maybe Desi needs to be sent down now, or trade him while he still has value, if any

    • nats128 - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:25 PM

      Desi needs to change. He needed to hit rock bottom before he can improve. What trade value? A bag of balls?

  9. ward5nedc - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    I still love Ian Desmond

    • natsfan1a - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM

      Me, too.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:11 PM

      Many of us do and feel for the guy but at some point you have to put the team first. He’s been awful in clutch situations all season and is batting .125/ .183 /.143/.326 in 62 plate appearances with RISP. That’s a sample size that’s large enough to start to say we have a continuing problem and he’s been hurting this team on offense and defense.

      You can’t hit the ball swinging with your chin on top of your left shoulder and parallel to the side of the plate.

      • ward5nedc - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:33 PM

        I understand. I just read too much negativity thrown his way on here.

        I’ll let the professionals figure out what to do with him, sign, trade, sit or play him.

        In the meantime he has my fan support.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM

        I’ve stuck up for Desi for 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014. At some point, it’s put up or shut up.

      • jd - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM

        Ghost,

        I think you and I both know that Desi is much, much better than he has been this year, I won’t even begin to speculate as to what is behind this but you can see that it’s snow balling and at some point you just have to play the players who are producing. I am not sure if Rizzo and MW are totally sold on Espi’s revival, I know I still have lingering doubts and that’s why they haven’t made a radical move yet. When they move Rendon to 3rd, Espi to 2nd and Esco to SS there will be no turning back. At that point Desi will have to settle for a 1 year contract to resurrect his value. It’s a shame.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:38 PM

        “Chelsea Janes ‏@chelsea_janes 1h1 hour ago
        Desmond, who is 5 for last 45, said free agency isn’t bothering him. Said “the mental grind” is coming from not contributing like he can.”

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:39 PM

        BTW, Espi had some ugly at-bats over the weekend. Hoping those were isolated to what I’ve seen most of the season from him.

      • jd - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:56 PM

        I had the same impression of Espi over the weekend, some good at bats but some which brought unpleasant memories from previous years.

      • natsfan1a - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:20 PM

        This.

        “I’ll let the professionals figure out what to do with him, sign, trade, sit or play him.

        In the meantime he has my fan support.”

  10. rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Desi will come out of it tonite

  11. natsfan1a - Jun 15, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    Okay, some real-time watching for me, at least until I fall asleep in front of the tv. Go, GIO! Go, NATS!!

    Oh, and this would work better if the last name was Elwood. I’m just saying.

    “1B Jake Elmore”

  12. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    I actually had to get some work done today, but i wanted to address two things from the earlier blogs. First, to NatsLady, thanks for the explanation as to the Fan Graphs charts, but I still find their overall presentation of “stats” and evaluations to be first cousins to figure skating judging. To claim a team’s war, or defensive value from what they project from future results by players is a little hard for me to take seriously. And though I do understand to some extent their projections, I find myself lacking the wherewithal to totally grok them.
    Secondly, my point regarding Trea Turner was simply to take issue with Chase stating that the chance of Trea Turner making a debut with the Nats this year to be unlikely. I can see where there is a chance that things work out where he earns a spot on the 40 man and gets a cup of coffee this fall.I have praised Trea’s progress every step of the way,often posting his prowess both at the plate and defensively, and I didn’t mean to undermine what he had accomplished in San Antonio in any way. I honestly think he will hit in whatever league he plays in, including the National League. He is somebody that sees ball and hits ball.

    • jd - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:30 PM

      Joe,

      I think the issue may well have more to do with service time vs. readiness. A whole bunch of teams just brought up their best prospects even though some of them were clearly ready at the start of the year. Also, I think people under estimate the jump from the minors to the show. many a top prospect has found the initial going very tough before they eventually click. This is why I always caution people when they get over zealous with lower minor league stats. It ain’t that easy.

      • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:42 PM

        jd, the one thing that made me a huge follower of the guy from day one was his speed ratings. Combine that with by every scouting report the kid is fundamentally sound, along with the film clips of him in the AFL, I was sold on him being as being as close to ” can’t miss’ as one could get. I have more than once bemoaned the fact that this team doesn’t have a speedster with base running savvy, thus my irritation when they traded Billy Burns. If the Nats run away in with the East late this summer I’d like to see Turner come up because he can supply an edge that they don’t have off the bench as a pinch runner.

    • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:44 PM

      Yes, I am less than impressed with Fangraphs on that. I feel that after 1/3 of the season is played out, they should revise their projections with some formula that takes actual production (and the ACTUAL players) into consideration. Otherwise it’s a mish-mash with the current playoff chances determining who are contenders but the “original” projections determining what they need.

      I think there is the core of a good idea there, namely, how much are your playoff odds increased by shoring up which weakness. Obviously, this is a calculation Rizzo (and other GMs) are making right now. But they aren’t making it based on Opening Day.

      Of course fans tend to value current performance over projections that take into consideration players’ performance over a few seasons. Time has shown years of history are a better indicator of future performance than 1/3 of a season. I would discount 1/3 of a season in my revised projection formula, but I would still include it. So it’s likely that Escobar will, in the end, perform to something like his career norms (as we all hope Zim and Desi will!). But he will perform there at 3B, not at 2B which was the plan in March.

  13. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    And Desmond should be able to snap out of it against Ramirez. The guy isn’t exactly a killer strikeout pitcher.

    • natslive - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:16 PM

      If he was watching Ray maybe he will 🙂

  14. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    “@chelsea-Janes: Williams said they’ll make decisions on Rooark, Ross when it’s time, but “good problems to have.” Acknowledged Roark could return to ‘pen.”

    I asked this question this morning, sounds like they are close to a decision. Roo-ark?

    • rayvil01 - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:14 PM

      Don’t you think they have to see if Ross can back these last two starts up? At some point it gets to where you start thinking this guy can hang now. If you send him back down right this minute you won’t get that answer.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:28 PM

        I say one game at a time. I like Joe Cool. The changeup is a problem and he has to work on that. The sinker and slider are both excellent.

  15. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Gio follow the lead of the last 2 starters reduce the number of pitches per inning. Dump the nibbling. Go minimum of 8 innings. No more than 1 walk. Do that and our chances of winning is high.

    16 scoreless inning streak on the line.

    Continue it.

  16. peewilly - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Please tell me Bob is back in the TV booth. Love Johnny’s local connection to college football and basketball but baseball is not his first language.

    • natsfan1a - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:22 PM

      On the weekend broadcasts, they indicated Bob would be back for the series at the Rays. Johnny seems like a good guy, but on play-by-play, um, not for me.

  17. 9rhrssy01 - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    does anyone know why they do rehab stints at Harrisburg instead of triple A? Wouldn’t the latter be more of a challenge?
    .

    • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:49 PM

      Less travel, most likely. They’ve done rehab at Potomac. Also, I think they prefer to do rehab when the minor league team is at home. It’s a lift for the fans.

  18. TimDz - Jun 15, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Dillon Gee DFA’d by the Mutts…..
    Guess nobody wanted him….

    • virginiascopist - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:02 PM

      I’m sure people want him — just not at the Mets’ asking price.

    • rayvil01 - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:18 PM

      Really?! Wow! So much for the “Six-Man Rotation.”

      He’s always given us fits.

    • natsfan1a - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:23 PM

      Wow.

    • Nats Fan Zee - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:05 PM

      Don’t be surprised if he shows up here.

  19. 9rhrssy01 - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    Thanks NL. You folks are such wonderful resources.

    • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:32 PM

      I want to go on record that I am not by any stretch of anybody’s imagination wishing for, or celebrating Ian Desmond’s struggles. That said, I have been around baseball for a long, long time and sometimes reality sets in. I was not a Desi “hater” several years ago when many on here threw him under the bus, but if I was the manager, or the GM of this team I would be at the end of my rope. I don’t care whether you use saber metrics, the eye test, or standard metrics, the guy is a minus contributor to this team right now. All that said, Friday night I will be cheering hard for him up in sec 311 during every at bat. But criticizing a player doesn’t make you a hater, just a baseball fan with an opinion. I’ll grouse on here just like we all would if we were sitting in a bar watching the game together. I will say, I did boo one Nats player, one time, and it was from a serious crappy attitude and lackluster play. I wonder where Lastings Milledge is today?

      • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:39 PM

        He was in Japan to start the 2015 season, but looks like he only played nine games.

  20. mrnat7 - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    Please trade Tyler Moore! Management will never give him a chance in Washington. Also, Desi can go 0-100 and will never get benched. Espi should be at SS and Moore at 1B.

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:13 PM

      I agree poor tymo – but we need him for when / if Danny slumps

  21. adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    This day in Nats baseball history

    (Just heard it on the radio driving home)

    June 15, 2013. Nats hit three homers and take a 5-0 lead over the home team Indians, knocking Kazmir out. But then JZ gives up 6 runs over the next three innings, and Nats fall behind 6-5.

    In the 8th, Chad Tracy hits a two-out solo shot, to tie the game, 6-6.

    In the 9th, Rendon, after the Indians drop a foul pop up, hits is first career HR to give the Nats a 7-6 lead. Soriano with the save.

  22. topnat - Jun 15, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    I am a Nats fan therfore a Desi fan. This team is in transition leadership wise. It’s no longer
    Desi and Zims or even Werths team. This in the hands of Harp, Tony, MAT and those yet to come to take this next level. If Ian can’t muster a rally soon, all star breakish, he needs to become the role player Espinosa embraced being prior to his resurgence. Our buddy Jimmy Bowden predicts turner is the starting ss by Aug 1. And before the standard jimmy b derision starts he accurately predicted Joe Ross breaking into the show weeks ago.

    • natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:10 PM

      Your buddy Jim Bowden. He’s no friend of any Nats fan desiring a professionally run baseball organization.

  23. adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:00 PM

    Repeating a comment from a few threads ago that got doubly-new-posted:

    B-R has a “Wins Above Avg By Position”, by team. (Select the team, and it’ll highlight it for you) — it’s at http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2015.shtml.

    The obvious conclusion (according to that table) is that the Nats are being carried by starting pitching and Bryce Harper.

    (Interestingly, in weighing down the team: 1B and LF are both last in the NL. SS and bullpen are third to last.)

    • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:14 PM

      But at the same time, as bad as MAT has been with the K’s, he is 20th in RBI’s totals amongst all NL outfielders, with a lot fewer AB’s then some ahead of him. I have been down on Taylor at times, but he is producing in ways that he is getting little credit for. I wish that he could’ve had another year in the minors, but his struggles are not breaking him. The kid is a player.

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:24 PM

        True — I think his got some potential. His K rate is pretty bad (over 33%), but when he does get hits, particularly HRs, he sure seems to get them at very opportune times.

  24. sunshinebobby - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Ray Knight just completely dissected Ian’s problems at the plate — overstriding, pulling out, head moving, swinging only with his hands. My question is: Does Rick Schu know any of this?

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:09 PM

      I think we *all* know it. I don’t mean to be snarky.

      The point is if half of the NI crowd can see it just by watching tv — I’m sure Rick Schu sees it.

      In fact I’m sure Ian knows it, too.

      As for why Ian can’t seem to do much about it . . . well, I’ve never played baseball at a pro level, so I have no idea. It must be hard to change habits, because I’m sure Ian’s dying to to better, too.

    • natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:18 PM

      Don’t look to Rick Schu. Desmond takes all his “professional” instruction from his former high school coach.

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:22 PM

      I would love to see ray as hitting coach

  25. adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    And one last comment.

    A few days ago, someone noted that Bryce’s stats this year are essentially identical to Ted Williams’ career stats. This was, I think, an attempt to show how great Bryce has been this year.

    I think, frankly, it’s more of a testament to how great Ted Williams was. Can you imagine a player *averaging* what Bryce has been doing these two months — to a career that was 19 seasons (missing 3 years for WW-II and 2 years for Korean War — 5 prime seasons)? To lead the league in batting at ages 39 and 40 — and endinghis career at 42, the oldest player in baseball that year, batting a “measly” .316 with 28 HR’s?

    Just completely unbelievable.

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:33 PM

      Willams was asked, around 1990, what he thought he’d hit if he were playing then. He said, “About .300.” Interviewer was surprised to hear it. “You’d only hit .300 against modern pitching??” Ted said, “Well, I am 72 years old!”

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM

        + 72!

  26. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    Question:

    Dave J was on 106.7 and it was brought up that yuni is a average to below average 3rd baseman in terms of total production. (Def/of) where Rendon is top 5. He said no one has given them any explanation why. Also he mentioned for a guy with ankle injuries Rendon at 2nd just doesn’t make sense.

    So why isn’t Tony at 3rd? Anyone heard anything plausible?

    • sunshinebobby - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:18 PM

      SC: “So why isn’t Tony at 3rd? Anyone heard anything plausible?”

      Because Matt is stubborn. See: “He’s our eighth inning guy/” — circa 2014.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:25 PM

        So frustrating. At least tell us the logic Matt! Or lack of

      • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:29 PM

        I don’t think it’s stubbornness. Unless you want Escobar learning a new position on the fly, he’ll stay at 3B as long as Desi plays. If Desi doesn’t play, then MW has to decide if he wants Escobar to play SS or Danny to play SS. Who do you think is the better fielder? OK, so Escobar stays at 3B in that scenario too. Hence, Rendon at 2B.

        Yes, Escobar is not the prototypical power 3B and you have your best hitter at 2B. Not sure that matters at all.

      • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:36 PM

        @scmargenau, I explained Matt’s logic. He won’t explain it because he’s not going to diss Escobar’s fielding.

    • natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:22 PM

      Dave J? Jaegler Johnson? Because if it’s Jaegler, what does he know and if it’s Johnson, well, what does he know?

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:28 PM

        Jaeger. But it’s still a valid question. Do you have an answer?

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:29 PM

        Jaegler – lol auto correct knows mick

      • natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:35 PM

        Uhhh, yes. The people that get paid to make those decisions know more about the players than we do.

    • Hiram Hover - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

      “A guy with ankle injuries”

      In 2012 you mean?

      Sorry, that is not a valid question.

  27. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    That wasnt a strike to Harper….

  28. natslive - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    That sure looked like ball4

  29. TheBigDummy - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    Charlie and Dave were pretty surprised at strike 3 to Harper. Charlie said it was really low.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:25 PM

      Great pitch framing by Rivera LMAO

      • Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:29 PM

        You laugh…. but it was… c pulled it up… blue absolutely missed it.

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:54 PM

      it was borderline, according to pitch-track on tv

  30. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    Oh a 20 pitch Gio first woo-hoo

  31. natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    Typical Gio. 4 pitches for 2 out now can’t throw strikes.

  32. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    Gio has just matched the 9 inning base totals Scherzer put up in 9 innings yesterday with 1 hit and 1 walk.

  33. rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:32 PM

    Same old Gio.He just does not get it.He will never attack the strike zone.Young Ross is a better pitcher than him in 2 appearances.

    • rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:34 PM

      Look at that throw by Gio.Gio and Stras 2 head cases.Do not even think of taking the kid out of the rotation

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:55 PM

      He will never attack the strike zone.

      His problem in the first inning was that he *couldn’t* attack the strike zone. He lost his arm slot there for those three batters.

  34. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Gio is so annoying going on 2 years now. Nice throw to first…

  35. Eric - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Whoa! Ease up Gio!

    NICE pick, Espi!

  36. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    Cant stand these Gio innings…almost threw it away..unbelievable.

  37. natslive - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    All that practice fielding Desi bad throws helped Danny field that

  38. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    First inning a perfect example why Gio doesn’t go long into games. First two batters takes 4 pitches. Then 20 pitches to get the third out.

  39. Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    Nothing left for Danny to prove at first, is there? I’d like to see him work as the emergency catcher some day, just because.

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM

      We know he has an arm

      (hint: Clint Robinson) 😉

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:07 PM

        Have we looked at the Ridiculous Bazooka Arm video lately? It’s old, but I still like it.

  40. NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    That is a HUGE strike zone. Hard to believe Gio walked two guys. Well, not it’s not.

  41. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:43 PM

    Eric Byrne’s on MLB has decided to go to the auto ump for balls and strikes. The umps are not getting better, rather they are getting worse. He prefers an accurate strike zone like many of us.

  42. Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    This is looking up. Ramirez wasn’t fooling the bottom of the order there. Shouldn’t be much jet lag to worry about. I think they’ll handle this game.

  43. natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    Windemere must not use info from advance scouts because half of Kiermeyers doubles are singles hustled into doubl8.

    Poor scouting and execution by the Nats. Stupid.

    • natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:51 PM

      Auto correct. Weidemeyer.

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:53 PM

      I have said it often our advance scouts seem much weaker than our opponent’s advance scouts.

    • exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:54 PM

      To me it embodies the Nats this year. Taking things for granted..nonchalant..i see a lot of guys not running hard to 1st..of all teams they should know nobody will hand them the trophy.

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:57 PM

      That wasn’t necessary poor scouting — that was non-hustle by Span. He had his head down.

  44. rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    Thats a run we never get.

  45. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    Since I am only reading updates presently, was the steal on third Gio not holding the runner or was it a bad throw by the catcher?

    • sunshinebobby - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:06 PM

      Totally on Gio. In fact, Ramos made no throw. Guy got a walking lead and a great jump.

  46. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    Denard sleeping on Kiermaier whi was lulled to sleep by Gio turns a single into a double into a steal of 3rd and a manufactured run.

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:54 PM

      The steal? Who was responsible Gio or Ramos?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:00 PM

        It was in the dirt and wouldn’t have mattered as he was 2/3 of the way to 3rd when the ball reached the plate.

      • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:05 PM

        It was very good base running. But Span was caught with his pants down letting him get to second.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:09 PM

        Then the answer was Gio’s fault. Holding the runner poorly and pitching poorly.

      • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:15 PM

        if you want to blame the pitcher rather than credit the runner, it’s ok with me, but I wish that we had a base runner like that.

  47. natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    A foul ball by Desmond. I am encouraged.

    • natsjackinfl - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:55 PM

      And an actual ball in play.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 7:59 PM

        Much better even though he pulled it.

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:07 PM

        +2 (as in — that’s the second time since Friday he put a ball in play)

  48. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    3 games in a row Yuni HBP

  49. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:02 PM

    All these HBPs. I hope Yunel is ok.

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:06 PM

      It might be time to start throwing dukes. Opposing teams think they can get away with this b.s.

      • rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM

        That is where you really miss Zim.I keep saying why would you ever pitch to Harp.Ramos is not a clutch hitter.

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:14 PM

      Such crap. Hurting our guys and that’s something we can’t afford.

  50. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    Way to feather one Wilson…………..

  51. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    Have you all noticed how atrocious the field is? How can a field in Florida be so bad?

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:09 PM

      It’s like 1000 degrees in Florida right now.

      • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM

        It has been in bad shape for a couple of years.

      • rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:13 PM

        Gio has no command.I am serious I would keep Ross in rotation ahead of Gio.Gio is an average pitcher at best.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:23 PM

        Maybe bio to pen?

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:30 PM

        Gio

      • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:31 PM

        bio sucks from the pen. it’s either keep him in the rotation, or trade him.

      • rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM

        Another night are only hope is the Mets lose.Get Gio out of there.

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:10 PM

      Been that way from Day 1

    • Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM

      THAT WAS ANOTHER INADVERTENT WHISTLE. I DIDN’T MEAN “REPORT COMMENT”.

    • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:05 PM

      I guess nobody got it.The field reference, I mean.

  52. adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    FP pointing out that Harper is obviously favoring his left (plant) leg when batting.

  53. Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    FP apparently doesn’t know they have advance scouts.

  54. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:12 PM

    Momentum is your next days pitcher.

  55. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:13 PM

    Come on, Gio.

  56. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:13 PM

    Gio is about to put this game away

  57. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    Gio is never going to come close to 2012 again.

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:16 PM

      Probably not. That was a great season.

    • exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:19 PM

      Time to make the drive down I-75 and grab some pink cream in miami

      • Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM

        That may have been the turning point sadly.

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:23 PM

      Never is a long time when you’re talking about a 29-year old . . .

      • Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:26 PM

        Been pulling a Desmond since 2012, steady decline.

  58. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:17 PM

    3-0, 1 out and men on 2nd and 1st.

  59. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:18 PM

    Ross 1 walk Scherzer 1 walk Gio……

  60. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    HUGE ASS MOT*** F**** PLAY MAT!!!!!!!!

  61. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    Web GEM MAT

  62. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    My goodness MAT…. my goodness….

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:22 PM

      Wow. When he hit that I thought “game over”.

      Thank you MAT!

  63. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:20 PM

    Now Gio is crossing up his catcher.

  64. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM

    Glad Taylor was out in LF. No way does Danny Espinosa catch that ball, folks. Nothing against him, but he’s not tall enough to get to it.

  65. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    only 2 runs after bases loaded no outs. i’ll take it.

  66. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    All things considered, fortunate to only be down 3-0.

  67. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    Wow!! What a catch MAT

  68. TheBigDummy - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    What a play by Mikey Taylor. Keeping his ballclub in the game. Werth doesn’t make that play.

  69. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    Taylor single handedly is taking back this game. Love it.

  70. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    That’s two solid knocks by MAT

  71. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    Must be pretty deflating for the team to have the Gio show after Scherzer’s performance.

  72. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    Wow Gio. Wow. Ugh

  73. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Gio… gio…. gio….

  74. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Rendon makes that play. No reason for esco at third.

  75. philipd763 - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Out of this highly touted starting rotation, Scherzer is the only dependable pitcher. Add to this the crappy bullpen and you have a disaster developing.

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:39 PM

      Sad but true.

  76. Section 222 - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Was Gio delivering that long overdue message by drilling Guyer? Did anyone get the message?

  77. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    So according to FP, Gio has changed his repertoire to become less effective to pitch deeper in games.

    So he proceeds to get smashed consistently while becomin even less pitch efficient.

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:43 PM

      LOL

  78. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    0:2 to a HBP. How do we go from the Joe Cool gem to the Scherzer gem of all gems to complete dog sh!t.

  79. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    Good thing Scherzer pitched a CG yesterday, because I don’t see Gio going past 5.

  80. scnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:39 PM

    No way Gio to the pen. He has such poor control he’d be useless unless it was a blowout. Unfortunately our bullpen is well stocked with arms that can pitch in a blow out.

  81. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Good thing the BP is rested….

  82. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    This is terrible… terrible.

  83. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Rendon would have gotten to that, too

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:43 PM

      Yea I’m not buying natsjack explanation that the people who get paid know best. MW has shown me many times he doesn’t. No one can tell me why a top 5 third baseman is at second where he’s more likely to get hurt.

      • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:46 PM

        I told you above.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:47 PM

        Didn’t see that – I’ll Chik it out

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM

        Ok, that doesn’t work either. esco played 2nd in spring and he hasn’t played third prior to this year. 2nd is an easier transition for a SS.

        There is no logic. Dissing fielding,????? We are trying to wn games. But the best players where they should be. Esco will grade out above avg at 2nd.

        Tonight his fielding at third cost us runs.

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:12 PM

        Dissing fielding,????? We are trying to wn games.

        I think you misunderstood NatsLady. She was saying that MW wasn’t going to say the reason in public so as not to dis the players.

        That said, NL’s explanation (which others also have noted) is very defensible. Esco’s played all season at 3b, and with all the switching already going on, MW doesn’t want to switch more Esco, in his career, hasn’t played 2b in a regular season game in almost 10 years. Rendon, otoh, has played over 40% of his MLB games at 2b.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:21 PM

        Wonk – less than a half a season, and not well defensively. Rendon needs to be at third.

        But thanks for the explanation.

  84. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Ok. That’s two by Escobar – Rendon needs to go back to third stat

    • NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:47 PM

      RIght. So he can make misplays at second or short? As long as he’s hitting, he plays, and at 3B.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

        That makes zero sense. He’s just not a third baseman — he’ll be fine at second or SS – both have more time to make a play. 3rd base takes lightening reflexes, like zim had and Rendon HAS.

        Don’t assume you are right because I think one way. We all have opinions.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

        That makes zero sense. He’s just not a third baseman — he’ll be fine at second or SS – both have more time to make a play. 3rd base takes lightening reflexes, like zim had and Rendon HAS.

        Don’t assume you are right because I think one way. We all have opinions.

  85. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Gio should hire fp to be his agent. He is so good at making excuses for Gio. There’s always someting..rain, mechanics..hes not a rookie..know yourself and stop the crap

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:54 PM

      “Mechanics” isn’t an excuse, it’s a criticism.

  86. TheBigDummy - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    Gio needs to go back to the whole game day haircut and shave routine or something. This was excruciating.

  87. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    3rd times bSes loaded

  88. TimDz - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    Cue Nattygoats in 3….2…….1……

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:50 PM

      Take it back… take it back…. take it back…

      Treat it like bettlejuice… ☺☺☺

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:59 PM

      Lol.

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM

      +1

  89. NatsLady - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:51 PM

    Good job by Taylor Hill (who I completely forgot was in the bullpen).

  90. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:51 PM

    We’re lucky to be down by only 5. Plenty of innings to get this done.

  91. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM

    Whelp guys… cant win a game scoring 0 runS… lets have some productive at bats… and score some runs.

  92. Karl Kolchak - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:54 PM

    Never would have thought when Gio signed his incredibly team friendly extension that included a team buyout option after 2016 that there would be a reason for the Nats to excercise it. But even his “bargain” salary of $12 million a year (starting next season) is too much right now.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:03 PM

      In the off-season after Scherzer was signed I thought for sure it was to trade Gio or Strasburg. Both have been pretty awful overall. Hard to get going when you burn up your bullpen every few games. This has been the way its gone.

  93. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    Bud Black got f i red today with a team that has underachieved and has about the same record as the Nats. I wonder if MW is on the hot seat. By the way, I would love to have Bud Black instead of MW

  94. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    Well, this darn thing was pretty much over by the time I got home. 😠

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

      It’s only the 5th and we got 1st and 2nd 1 out w Harper up? This game is far from over.

      • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:01 PM

        There’s a certain amount of superstition behind that comment.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

      Make me a liar, Bryce.

  95. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    5 run deficit can be overcome. Nats have a chance to get right back in this game but to those who have given up already, why watch.

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:01 PM

      Bingo

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM

        That was close. Talk about lucky BABIP for the Rays. Robinson smoked that ball and right at the 1st baseman.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:02 PM

      Because Johnny isn’t announcing I can stand to watch no matter how bad it gets.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:05 PM

        Can’t believe I am saying this but I’m enjoying that Bob Carpenter is back.

      • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:06 PM

        I know, right?

      • thisizit - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM

        Ditto

  96. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    Should have sent Rendon there. Come on.

  97. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    Thank you Brewers for ruining Harper..thats just great

  98. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:05 PM

    FP, I think Gio being Gio sparked their ball club

    • kgwcoach - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:10 PM

      Gio added fuel kiermier provided initial spark.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:10 PM

      The gaffes in the 1st inning with Span sliding over the base and then in the bottom of the 1st allowing Kiermaier to make a routine single into a double changed the start of the game. Gio quickly imploded in the 2nd inning and after all on his own.

  99. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM

    Rays are mashing.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM

      Even the outs are crushed.

  100. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM

    I hate to give kudos to the opposition during a game, but I am enjoying watching Kevin Kiermaier play ball. What a hustler!

    • Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:14 PM

      I was just sitting here thinking how I wish we had a base runner like that…

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:21 PM

        We do, Bryce Harper. They have toned him down.

      • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:18 PM

        Trea turner

  101. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM

    Hill doesn’t seem to put out fires.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM

      With gasoline.

  102. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    That looked like it hurt.

  103. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:18 PM

    Pitchers best friend…. now let’s score some runs….

  104. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:18 PM

    Only giving 1 run that inning is lucky. This game could easily be 10-0

  105. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:21 PM

    Jake Elmore? Someone’s parents had a sense of humor.

  106. exposremains - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:21 PM

    Taylor hill..just like t. Jordan, grace, cole and the other poor pitching rookies..he will be replace by another one soon.

  107. scnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    Wow we look horrid tonight

  108. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    Hit a seven run homer, Desi.

  109. thisizit - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:23 PM

    Clint Robinson with nice swings of late.

  110. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    Strike 3 swinging to Desmond was never in the zone :/

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:25 PM

      I can’t defend him anymore. This is pathological.

      • Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:31 PM

        It’s sad…. I hope he gets it together soon…

    • scnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM

      Why would you even throw him a strike

  111. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    Excuse me, yall… normally I don’t reply to nonsense…. but enough is enough.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:27 PM

      Sometimes ya just gotta say something.

      • chrisrw109nats - Jun 16, 2015 at 1:57 AM

        Yes. Sometimes you do.

        But not every game, every bat, and every pitch. It is absolutely ridiculous at this point.

        Is Desmond struggling? Yes. Is the team struggling? Yes. Do we have a lot of guys hurt now? Yes.

        I am not sure how you guys coming here and dumping on Desmond, Matt Williams, and Strasburg accomplishes anything other than making this place extremely unpleasant to visit anymore.

        You are the same fair weather guys who were making fun of people on the Mets and Braves boards when they moan and complain. So what does that make you?

        This isn’t critiquing, or some weird way of supporting your team, this is venting your spleen because our record isn’t 81-0 after 65 games.

  112. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    Desmond has been a total tragedy this season.

    • senators69 - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:39 PM

      Painful to watch. He should be sitting, but alas, Nats bench is iffy…still, I’d try Uggla instead and see what happens. Put Rendon at 3rd, Escobar at SS, Uggla at 2nd, leave Espi at 1st.

  113. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:25 PM

    Every pitcher gets Desi out like that…. at some point he will learn… I hope soon.

  114. borderlineretorted - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    The NL East is like Checkers. It’s in the bag.

  115. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:29 PM

    It’s like every one of their balls, finds a hole….

  116. AlexandriaNatFan - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    This is painful indeed, but I will say if Clint’s hit had gone through, then this might be a totally different game. I know it didn’t and it’s moot now, but I’m just saying…our hits aren’t dropping in either.

    • thisizit - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:35 PM

      Clint with some nice swings lately.

  117. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    Just making conversation, but Michael Taylor now just barely has a higher batting average than Ian Desmond does.

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:38 PM

      K counts for both, plz.

      • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:38 PM

        …and PAs

      • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:42 PM

        So, what are you saying?

    • veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:48 PM

      Just seemed like you were trying to deflect from Desmond by pointing to Taylor. Taylor isn’t a starter and shouldn’t be held to that standard, while Desmond should. I’m not a stat junkie, but it sure seems like Desmond Ks a helluva a lot more than Taylor (even tho Taylor Ks quite a bit, too).

      • Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:52 PM

        I think that’s his point.. MAT has less plate appearances etc and has more rbis, better batting average etc than Desi… a mainstay in the line up.

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:06 PM

        Actually, Taylor has a worse K rate

        Ian 76 K / 248 PA = 30.5%
        MAT 52 K /155 PA = 33.5%

        I don’t think JS was deflecting from Desmond — I think it’s worth noting, too. MAT is younger, has more of an excuse, but he _is_ striking out at a pretty darn high rate, and he will need to get better if he wants a long term starting job in LF.

      • Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM

        Wonk? In his last 37 PA’s Taylor has 5 K’s. He is improving the percentage. That includes all his AB’s tonight. And yes, He has 5 more RBI’s than Desi with over a 100 fewer at bats.

  118. senators69 - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Counting the days until the major league pitchers return, and we can return the minor leaguers to AAA. EXCEPT for Ross, who so far, has appeared to be major league in pitching and demeanor. Of course, the first time round the league is one thing, but still…it’s working now for Ross.

  119. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    Riefenhauser. Bong hits for everyone. Seems appropriate.

  120. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    Jays tie the Mets and are still at it.

    • rlndtln - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:47 PM

      consistent starting pitching is our number 1 problem.Only Scherzer has given us that.Imagine where we would be without him.

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:09 PM

        consistent starting pitching is our number 1 problem.

        I’m not so sure that’s true. Gio couldn’t have pitched brilliantly an allowed one run, we’d still be behind right now.

        See http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2015.shtml — looks like our biggest weakness is lack of good production from LF, 1b, and SS; and that the BP is not as good as our starters.

  121. AlexandriaNatFan - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:45 PM

    That Escobar line drive is our night in a nutshell I feel.

  122. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    That’s givin it up, Danny.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:50 PM

      “You’re paying for that coffee pot, Espinosa!”

  123. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    Helluva play by DE…. wow, impressive..

  124. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    Espinosa playing every infield position and hitting for average and power becomes quite the asset.

  125. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:54 PM

    Mets and Jays to extras. 😃

  126. veejh - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    Ramos does this quite a bit, almost kill fans, no?

  127. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    Lol… I was about to say… dont take the kids bat!!!!

  128. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    I like the way Carpenter brings it.

    Mets and Jays to the 11th.

  129. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    Gio pretty much set the game in reverse from the third batter on.

  130. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:14 PM

    Cedeño? That’s just rubbing it in.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM

      We can certainly tell it’s not an impostor.

  131. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    YAY!!!! NO SHUT OUT… KEEP THE LINE MOVING!!!

  132. Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    Heart. Breaker.

  133. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    Well if that ain’t the cherry on the sundae.

    • Just. Dave - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:26 PM

      Harper (7) LOB today. I guess he can’t win every game by himself, but he could have had a career day.

  134. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    Bad luck. That was a 3 run double if two inches higher.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM

      Shades of Willie McCovey.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:37 PM

        Bobby Richardson robbed him.

      • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:44 PM

        Wow — do you realize that reference is over 50 years old! My does time fly . . .

  135. Just. Dave - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    Well then, that sure was anticlimactic.

  136. David Proctor - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:28 PM

    Span’s lazy play set the tone for the game. Never thought I’d call Span lazy, but on that play, he was way too lackadaisical. He learned his lesson and made a nice play later in the game, but the damage was done.

    Of course, Gio was awful and had no idea where the ball was going. Hill at least ate innings.

    I’m concerned about Harper forming bad habits. He did crush that ball in the 9th, but he was clearly favoring the leg for most of the game. If it’s going to alter his swing mechanics, he needs to sit. It’s just not worth him messing up his swing.

    • scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:45 PM

      Good point on harp. I agree

      • stoatva - Jun 16, 2015 at 12:05 AM

        I thought it was a good point when FP made it during the game, in fact.

  137. Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM

    At least Rendon seems to be getting it going.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:36 PM

      +1

      I’d say he’s more or less on schedule.

  138. manassasnatsfan - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Dinky hit knocks in tying run because the damn left fielder was way to deep

    Tied

  139. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    Holy smoke. Cuddyer reties the game scoring from first on Duda’s bloop to left.

    Maybe it’s just not our night.

    • stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM

      Oy. Mets walk off.

    • Danny - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM

      Nope. Mets win

  140. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    Mets win it in the bottom of the 11th.

  141. scmargenau - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:43 PM

    MW will not skip a start for Gio. That’s the right move. Gio is what he is, hot and cold and lu,e warm. 4th or 5th starter. We need last years fister and production at SS, 1st, LF.

    Hill looked good.

    Bryce looks like his weight shift is off. I’m not sure if he should play till that bruise heals more…

  142. stoatva - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:43 PM

    Twelve left on base. I guess we are supposed to take solace from all the opportunities they’re creating. I’m having some difficulty with that.

    • adcwonk - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 PM

      Agreed. Hard to swallow, but better than, say, Brew Crew yesterday who were zero-for-zero RISP.

  143. Joe Seamhead - Jun 15, 2015 at 10:44 PM

    Joe Ross’ older brother pitching for the Padres tonight.

  144. chrisrw109nats - Jun 16, 2015 at 2:10 AM

    I think I might be done here. I have had enjoyable conversations with some of you, but it feels like any time the team loses we have a majority of users who are ready to burn everyone on the team in effigy. There is so much negativity here that I am not sure what the point of this place as a Nats fan community is.

    Teams lose games they lose games ugly. This is a marathon not a sprint. I would be willing to be the last 10 WA Champs have had bad streaks, and have also had bad losses dur I no seasons they won.

    Am I saying that the team as is will win the WS? No. We have a lot of injuries and key players that are struggling.But I guarantee you that a team that’s above .500 and less than 2 games out of first, has a chance to make the playoffs, and has a chance to do great things.

    We have seen the worst the club is capable of, and we’ver seen the best this team is capable of. The best run this team put together, was done with some semblance of the projected original lineup in place. The times we’ve been struggling, we’ve had guys in various states of injury and recovery.

    This is baseball, as much as the negative Nellie like to project their knowledge you would think they would remember that pennants aren’t won in June, and while they can be lost in june? Not with our record the way it is.

    • unkyd59 - Jun 16, 2015 at 5:23 AM

      Just leave the game threads alone, and the between game are enjoyable… And just keep in mind that some of us might be a little more……passionate than others, but we all want a win, every time, even though we all know we’ll lose at least 60, or so….. Don’t go away….😜

      • chrisrw109nats - Jun 16, 2015 at 2:08 PM

        Except the between game threads are just as bad. The game recap discussing Gio’s bad start begins with someone commenting:

        ‘I know ive been doing a lot of Desi hating….’

        … which he then follows by calling for Desmond’s benching.

        It’s one thing to be passionate and want a win, but a bad at bat by Harper in the first inning and these guys immediately shift to how they can’t win the game, and the whole team sucks, and this or that guy is immature.

        That’s to say nothing of the guys who post about how ‘The whole team hates Ian’ or ‘The whole team is getting tired of Strassburg’, who are the same folks who were quoting the ‘whole team’ being sick of Harper last year, when Harper was struggling.

        It’s just stupid and pointless.

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