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Close plays on basepaths doom Nats in loss to Cubs

Jun 5, 2015, 1:52 AM EDT

Jun 4, 2015; Washington, DC, USA; Chicago Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (44) reacts after tagging out Washington Nationals first baseman Clint Robinson (25) to end the game at Nationals Park. The Chicago Cubs won 2-1. Mandatory Credit: Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports

With their offense stalled in a two-week long slump, the Nationals walked a tightrope on Thursday night that caused several close plays and one big mistake on the basepaths to loom large in their 2-1 loss to the Chicago Cubs.

The game itself ended when Clint Robinson was picked off by catcher David Ross at first base. Robinson had followed a Michael Taylor single with a walk against Cubs closer Hector Rondon. And with Anthony Rendon at the plate eyeing a chance to be the hero, Robinson misjudged his lead off the bag and it cost him.

Ross fired a bullet to first baseman Anthony Rizzo, who easily tagged Robinson for the final out. The Nationals became the first team to lose on a catcher-to-first pickoff since… the Nationals on Aug. 12, 2009, when Brian McCann of the Atlanta Braves caught Nyjer Morgan sleeping on base.

Robinson accepted blame for the loss in a brief interview afterwards.

“I just got too far, got picked off. Ballgame. Pretty much plain and simple,” he said. “It’s frustrating. But that’s on me. That can’t happen. Took the bat out of Anthony’s hands, one of our better hitters, and it’s just on me. That can’t happen. I really can’t explain it. I really wasn’t trying to go anywhere, I just couldn’t get back fast enough.”

It was an unusual ending to a game that had already featured two innings end on Nats players getting caught stealing. The second of those plays ended the fourth inning, as Danny Espinosa was thrown out at second.

Espinosa slid in to the bag and thought he avoided the tag from Starlin Castro. The Nationals challenged the play, but it was upheld. That lost the Nats their one manager’s challenge and it came back to bite them just two innings later.

Bryce Harper was also called out on a bang-bang play, his at first base on an RBI groundout. Harper came up with the bases loaded and one out against starter Jake Arrieta in the bottom of the sixth. He hit a slow grounder to Castro and was called out at first. Replays appeared to show he was safe, but the Nats did not have their challenge. The cut-off for umpires to call their own review is in the seventh inning.

“Bottom of the sixth, nothing we can do,” Harper said. “Close call. I didn’t get that one, but it would have been nice, definitely. Bases loaded with one out and [Ryan Zimmerman] coming up. I think that would have changed the momentum of the game, definitely. That’s pretty rough.”

Williams knows exactly how close the Nationals were to winning this one, but hopes their response on Friday doesn’t change despite the result.

“We can look back a week and a half and it seems like we were getting a hit every time there was a guy in scoring position. The key to this whole thing is not to be one way or the other,” he said.

“If Anthony would’ve hit a three-run homer there and we ended up winning the game, we’d forget about quickly because we have another one tomorrow. We must do the same in this instance and be ready to play tomorrow.”

Soon after the Nationals lost to the Cubs, the New York Mets secured a 6-2 victory over the Arizona Diamondbacks. That pushed the Nats out of first place in the NL East for the first time since May 20.

  1. nattygoats - Jun 5, 2015 at 4:44 AM

    1 run in 22 innings. This team is a Mess,

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:05 AM

      Best part of last night’s game was you made no comment. Damn it if your not back.

  2. Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 6:57 AM

    “According to the Elias Sports Bureau,the last time a game ended with a catcher to first base pick-off was Aug.12, 2009. To the Nats N.Morgan”

    The ultimate in TOOTBLANS that now Clint Robinson shares with Nyjer Morgan. What was he thinking, where was he going?

    • laddieblahblah - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:14 AM

      Replays showed that Robinson was safe, having avoided Rizzo’s tag until after he had gotten his left hand on 1b, while using his right hand to decoy Rizzo into trying to make the tag there. Clever play by CRob, actually, that went unappreciated by the ump. That was the 3rd critical call that the umps and NY blew, all of them to the benefit of the Cubbies and to the detriment of the Nats.

      The Nats were 0 for 8 with RISP, except, of course, they were really 1 for 8 since Bryce beat the ball to 1b on his RBI IF hopper. The Nats offense is simply not producing with RISP.

      Except for Gio’s first inning struggles, the staff pitched a shutout. That one was on the offense, with 3 assists from the men in blue, who gave the Cubs 3 free, and undeserved, outs.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:28 AM

        I thought CRob most likely beat the tag but the throw beat him by a country mile.

        Gio in the end dropped his ERA only giving up 2 but once again had a high pitch count and didn’t go deep into another game.

        Yes, the offense didn’t get it done but once again were bit by unlucky BABIP.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:36 AM

        Also as I wrote the decision to bunt Uggla was not a good one. The decision to bunt was good but needed to use JZim. With a short bench needed to save Dan Uggla with Esco down.

      • laddieblahblah - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:07 AM

        “I thought CRob most likely beat the tag but the throw beat him by a country mile.”

        Agree. He screwed up, but the ump got the call wrong – the same ump who missed the call on what should have been an IF single by Bryce.

        Good point on Uggla and JZ. No point using Uggla in that situation, especially since he didn’t get it done, anyway.

        If Rendon is up to speed, he doesn’t miss 3 FBs in his next to last AB, either. Next week, he squares up one of them to at least tie the game.

        They have just got to score more than one run if they expect to win.

      • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:03 AM

        The decision to have Uggla bunt was a dumb ass decision and it’s the 2nd time he’s done that. If you are gonna bunt use one of your pitchers who are better at it, keep Uggla for later in the game. If you wanna use Uggla there then let him swing away.

        Decisions like this really make me wonder about MW.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:49 AM

        Agree on with you all on the poor decision to insert Uggla as a designated bunter when you have JZ and Scherz available.

    • NatsLady - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:51 AM

      Wasn’t Kolton Wong picked off first base to end a game in the World Series?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:56 AM

        You’re correct against the Bosox but he wasn’t the trail runner and his foot slipped.

  3. Danny - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:22 AM

    Rob Drake is public enemy #1

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:40 AM

      +1 he knew Bryce was safe

      • laddieblahblah - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:09 AM

        “…he knew Bryce was safe…”

        I suspect he did, and made that call knowing it could not be reviewed.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:14 AM

        Exactly! Thank you for that. I truly believe that. Scum of the earth with a vendetta issue against Bryce.

      • dcwx61 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:55 AM

        unless he made the call before the play happened. i.e., assumed he would be out judging by the way the play normally occurrson a ground ball. He may be a victim of his own snap judgement. I can’t believe he purposely called Bryce out ?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:06 AM

        It’s an opinion call. They have a history together which is why this is suspect.

    • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:41 AM


    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:13 AM

      I said it last night it was done on purpose by Rob Drake.

      Of course the MLBcovers up their umps by not letting the press go at them.

      If I was commissioner if players have sit to be interviewed about their play, I would make umps do the same. If they defend themselves so what. I believe they would increase their accuracy a lot.

      I had a problem reading the words apparently Harper was safe. It was not apparent, it was obvious, but Chase doesn’t want to offend the ump. I have no problem offending him. I basically hate how umps are treated with kid gloves by the media anyway.

  4. natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:26 AM

    hmmm…didn’t see the game due to the late start. Got a lot of stuff to do today, so I’m thinking I may just delete without watching.

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:14 AM

      View the 4th and 6th inning please.

    • dcwx61 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:57 AM

      There were some great plays made. some nice web gems in the second and third and Rizzo’s play on Desis liner

    • natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2015 at 3:12 PM

      Okay, I speed-watched the recording just for you guys. Except I missed the bottom of the 9th because I hadn’t bracketed. There were some nice plays and some bad calls. Good to see Rendon with a couple of knocks in his first game back. Watching the recording of West talking with, well really at Espi after the “out” call, I was trying to figure out whether West was saying something about having [messed] up. Couldn’t quite read his lips, though.

  5. zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:29 AM

    Danny is safe at second – replay is crystal clear on that. Joe West blows the call and then NY refuses to correct it.

    Then Bryce is safe at first and it is not even close – and Rob Drake, who is known to [expletive deleted] Harper whenever he can, calls him out. And no replay review available.

    And then as laddie say, Robinson gets his hand back to first in time but Rob Drake decides he wants the game to be over.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:44 AM

      Joe West did not blow the call, NY did. Joe West is a doof but he wasn’t in position to see the tag and that’s why we have a challenge video system.

      • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:03 AM

        Not being in position qualifies for blowing the call. Reason why he got it wrong is not relevant. Bottom line is that he got it wrong.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:11 AM

        He was where he was supposed to be and an ump sees the ball beat him and makes the call and we now have a video replay to get it right. NY blew it. That’s as bad as I’ve seen and gave Drake at 1st the opportunity to screw Bryce once again and I don’t believe the coincidence theory.

        The CRob is the same problem as the Espinosa play as the throw beat him and you need video replay to overturn.

        The ball strike calls in question too at key times.

      • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:08 AM

        Last year someone suggested that the MLB also needs to say who the reviewing umpires are in NY. He/she speculated that certain umpires, like they do when they are on the field, might be biased against certain player and teams. He also commented that maybe sometimes they are influenced by their relationship with the Blue who made the original call.

        Without that transparency it is hard to say one way or another. But I would hope that MLB is reviewing the challenges to see if there is any bias.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:12 AM

        Agreed, I’m pissed at so many issues last night.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:17 AM

        What Joe West did was assume a tag that didn’t happen. NY blew the follow up, but the smirky smile when he did the out sign again is more than enough to me.

        Rob Drake was not hounded by the press. MLB tries to cover up how bad their umps are. What is the point of replay if you are not correct mistakes?

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:23 AM

        Yes, umps have been doing that in baseball forever when the ball beats them to the base. That’s how the game ended on the same type of play.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:23 AM

        Ghost the umpires are to make the call based on if the tag was applied before the runner touches the base. Not if the ball beat the runner. So if the ump calls it on if the ball beats the runner he certainly blowing the call. That is not what he suppose to be calling.

        As I said in another thread if I was Bob Manfred I would open the umpire lockers just like players. Why cover up their wrong doings. I want to clean umpires up and having them be accountable might be a good start.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:25 AM

        Age old problem and that’s why we have video review to get it right……or supposed to get it right.

    • Danny - Jun 5, 2015 at 7:45 AM

      People have blamed the refs/umps for eternity. However, yesterday we can truly say that we got housed. Rob Drake’s infatuation with Bryce is embarrassing. And what because Joe West is tenured he can’t be wrong/overturned.. What’s the point of replay?

      • laddieblahblah - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:17 AM

        I believe Joe is still the head of the umpire’s union, but I don’t believe he would have been upset to have that call overturned. Happens to all of them, sooner or later.

        From what I’ve heard and read, the slo-mo replay was delayed, and the crew in NYC made the decision based on “inconclusive” evidence. If we could see the slo-mo in DC, it’s hard to fathom why they did not have it in time to use to it in NYC to make that call, and make it correctly.

        It seems that whatever could go wrong for the Nats last night, did.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:24 AM

        Joe West wants those calls right I truly believe and just hopes he got it right as he hates looking like the fool. He knew he blew it the second MW called for the replay. Crystal clear replay so what didn’t NY see.

        Torre needs to review Drake. You hear the pop of the glove after Bryces foot hit the bag and not a tough call for a good ump. That call is an integrity issue and the media needs to push this so it gets the attention it deserves.

      • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:28 AM

        Agreed Ghost. This is also an example of why the umpires have to be subject to post-game interviews. They are far too protected by MLB.

      • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:57 AM

        The replay on the big screen at Nats Park was crystal clear that he was safe.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM

        However, yesterday we can truly say that we got housed.

        Well, it was affordable housing. Go get ’em tonight.

    • Hiram Hover - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:51 AM

      I watched the replay on just now, of the Chicago broadcast. On the angles they showed, it wasn’t conclusive that Danny was safe.

      One interesting thing they mentioned that I didn’t know–after review in a KC game a few days, NY apparently had to apologize the next day, admitting that there was a slow-mo replay shown by one of the broadcasts that they didn’t review, and which conclusively showed the opposite of whatever call they made.

      There’s still a human element, and they still ain’t gonna be perfect.

      • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:57 AM


        I agree with you. It looked like they missed the tag but I couldn’t tell for sure.I thought at the time that MW shouldn’t have used a challenge in that situation. The missed call on Harper was egregious. I am not suggesting bias but really the 1st base ump shouldn’t have missed that call. It wasn’t that close. People are saying that Robinson was safe at the ebd of the game, I didn’t see any replays but the throw had him beat by so much I didn’t even consider the possibility that he was safe.

      • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM

        Trying again as WP put this reply in the wrong place.

        The replay on the big screen at Nats Park was crystal clear that he was safe.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM

        The Chicago angle wasnt the conclusive one. He was safe on the MASN feed. 100% conclusive.

      • Hiram Hover - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:05 AM


        On, the game ending playing is the first thing that splashes up.

        On CRob, he was straying so far from the base, and beat so badly by the throw, that it’s hard not to call him out on principle. But on the replay, it seems pretty clear that he pulls back his right hand to avoid the tag and sneaks the left hand into the base.

        On Harp–yep. Just totally blew it.


        I believe you. What I found really interesting was their commentary about the KC game, which I hadn’t heard. We have this notion that NY has and reviews every single camera angle–but apparently, they don’t.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:06 AM

        jd, when I guy is that “safe” you use your challenge as you win it and get another one after that. Talk about a avalanche after that. Drake needs to be suspended.

  6. Hiram Hover - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    I was so angry last night after the Robinson pickoff that I immediately turned off the TV and didn’t watch the replay or listen any more.

    Looking at it now–yep, looks safe to me.

    D–n it.

  7. nats106 - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:45 AM

    Speaking of blown calls by umps and reviews, did anyone catch the review on the Phillies/Reds game where I am assuming Ruiz was called for blocking the plate and the call was reversed and the runner ruled safe.

    It was on the jumbotron during the rain delay and I thought it was a terrible call. Not that I’m a Phillies fan, but I really have got to wonder about this whole review stuff.

  8. nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:47 AM

    How do you swing thru a straight fastball that missed location and is a meatball by every definition. This tells me my #4 hitter is in a deep slump. He missed pitches all game and has been and this has to be dealt with. Has to be moved down in the order.

    Bryce has to be batting #3 and most likely will if Esco is out.

    Span’s last 2 atbats were both good.

    • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:53 AM

      Well pitch #3 was way inside and pitch #6 was way outside. He should’ve walked but yes, gets a meatball and swung through it.

      By swinging at pitch #3 he put himself in a 1-2 count instead of 2-1.

      This is the Adam LaRoche issue when he was in slumps, do you leave him in the middle of the order to get out of the slump, sit him, or move him to the #7 or a combination?

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:54 AM

        A combination.

      • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:10 AM

        We simply don’t have many options at this point. I think that the bigger worry with Zim is: ‘is this a slump or is this who he is and will be?’ Given we are a third of the way through the season I think it’s a fair question.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:14 AM

        Then move him back in the order until he heats up and get TyMo into LF as the big bat and bat him after Harp.

        This lineup stalled in the 4 and 5 last night.

      • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:20 AM


        A big part of the problem last night was that Arietta was eating Harp up with his cutter. I don’t mind your suggestion about TyMo but I have a hard time seeing him as the Moses that will lead us out of the wilderness. Tell you the truth Desi had the best swing of the night last night when he crushed the ball with the bases loaded only to find Rizzo’s glove.

      • Ghost of Steve M. - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:24 AM

        Desi did and TyMo you will see will shine if you give him regular PT.

    • Hiram Hover - Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM

      I agree he’s in a slump. I think it’s hard to pick a single pitch out of a single AB as conclusive proof of that. Arrieta was throwing 95 and it was Zim’s first AB of the night. Guys do guess wrong, take a while to get adjusted, just plain whiff, etc etc all the time.

      But as I said–Zimm is clearly in a slump.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:03 AM

        Arrieta doesnt throw changeups and RZ was getting a fastball there as you hope he could ID the breaking pitch. Even Clint Robinson parks that pitch over the wall.

        Never seen a guy so happy to take 1st base on a HBP when there were runners on 3rd and 2nd. The ball maybe grazed his jersey.

        Yeah, we have a problem. A big one.

    • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:07 AM

      Statistically, the 3rd place hitter comes up with the bases empty more often than any other position in the batting order. I am not making this up, these are recorded statistics. Why do you want your best hitter to come up with the bases empty more often than he needs to? The idea that you use your best hitter at # 3 is an old wives tale.

      Read this and see what you think.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:11 AM

        I want Bryce up in the 1st inning, not to lead off innings which has been happening too often. Its the reason Trout bats 2nd with Pujols 3rd and Bryant did last night with Rizzo 3rd. Put the pressure on the other team in the 1st inning.

        Bryce is getting up now with bases empty too often.

      • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:24 AM


        Again, I am not understanding what you are saying. If one of Span or Rendon gets on base then Bryce comes up in the 1st inning with men on base (if he bats 4th), otherwise he comes up with 2 outs and the bases empty which is the last thing you want. Wouldn’t you then prefer that he leads off the 2nd inning and has a chance to start something with none out?

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:32 AM

        jd, for fear of being bashed I really want him batting 2nd with Rendon 3rd to solve the problem you brought up.

        I expect a new lineup tonight and fully expect it to be Span, Rendon, Harper, RZim, Desi in the 1 to 5. Could MW get a little more creative and move RZ back in the order, well yes he could.

      • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:47 AM


        If RZim is hurt to the point he can’t produce because of the injury he should go on the DL. If he’s in a slump moving him down may make some sense but more likely will have to just put up with it until he finds his stroke. If it’s the begining of permanent regression then we are in big trouble as he’s signed through 2019.

  9. Theophilus T.S. - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:00 AM

    If you want to prove bias, ask the people who know: track the odds in Vegas on the Nats when West and Drake umpire the game vs. every other game.

  10. NatsLady - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    I really think Zim’s injury is at the root of his slump. Even if he can stay on the field for games (barely), how is he doing any meaningful work in the cage or batting practice with his foot barking? Much as he’s a veteran and could “roll out of bet and hit,” that has to affect him. (I know as a musician I can play a difficult piece a thousand times, but if I lay off it I need to run through it a couple of times before going public.)

    Our boys over the last two weeks (30 PAs or more).

    Bryce Harper
    12	49	3	6	7	1	.308	.449	.615
    Michael Taylor
    12	33	1	3	5	1	.267	.333	.400
    Yunel Escobar
    13	51	0	4	0	1	.283	.353	.370
    Danny Espinosa
    12	40	1	3	1	0	.176	.300	.265
    Denard Span
    11	47	2	4	3	0	.227	.261	.409
    Ian Desmond
    13	55	0	0	3	0	.235	.264	.333
    Wilson Ramos
    9	34	1	1	2	0	.121	.147	.242
    Ryan Zimmerman
    12	47	0	2	3	0	.140	.191	.186
    • NatsLady - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:10 AM

      * roll out of bed

      • natsguy - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:26 AM

        Nats Lady,

        I beg to differ about RZIM, its the shoulder. I’ve been watching him take strikes on the outside he should be hitting for the past two years. The league knows. He got away with it last year because he played so little with the hamstring and the hand (also a contributor). He is not the hitter he used to be and probably will never be. Plantar Fascitis hurts (i’ve had it) but not to the extent that it would lower his bat speed as precipitously as the shoulder has. Tyler Moore is more of a threat these days. That’s not saying much.

        When I saw that that RZIM was cheating up at 3B in the past because of his shoulder, everybody on this site butchered me. Who was right.

        He’s the reason Harper is getting so many walks. They don’t have any fear of RZIM at all. You do him a favor by pitching inside.

    • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:16 AM


      If JZim is really hurt to the point where he can’t perform above replacement level then they should DL him and let someone else play, I don’t care who because at the very least you will let him heal.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:19 AM

        jd, wrong Zim.

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:21 AM

        I agree jd. RZ has to get honest here as to what is problem is. This is a team game and not about him any more. The fans no longer pay to see RZ play. At least MW admitted that Ramos had a thumb injury and sat him last night.

    • Toot D. Blan - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:34 AM

      Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman is not hitting in the cage, taking BP, doing everything that everyone else does to get ready for the game, or are you just blowing smoke?

      • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:48 AM

        Toot, are you directing your comment to NatsLady

  11. Joe Seamhead - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Off topic, but this is a pretty good write-up on our incoming shortstop prospect, Trea Turner:

    • nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 9:28 AM

      Good share thanks.

      “Turner said he’s grown close with most of his Missions teammates despite knowing that he’s likely headed to another organization June 13 — the one-year anniversary of his signing with the Padres.”

      I hope Lerner send the private jet on June 12th so he can meet up with Difo on June 13th.

  12. dcwx61 - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Reading this article, it appears that Blake has an issue with several teams. He seems to make decisions too quickly esp. with throwing out players.

  13. manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Rob Drake is behind the plate. I bete Wada gets more border calls than Roark will.

    Also went my twitter from last night. Not one quotevfrom any of the umps meaning not one pool reporter even bothered.

    Thanks media.

    I trust the media to represent me and ask the questions I would, but as usual the MLB protects the umpd

    • zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:44 AM

      The media have no access to ask umpires questions unless the umpires tell them they will answer questions. I think it is part of the CBA between the umpires unions and MLB than mandates this.

      Bottom line is that the umpires will only talk to the media if they want to; and when they do it is typically a statement and not a Q&A with a reporter.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 11:33 AM

        I know that is my issue. Why would the MLB ever agree to that?

        That means the umps aren’t accountable.

        If I was Rob Manfred that would change.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM

        But the point is, the MLB did agree to it. Hardly fair to blame “the media” for the league’s cba with the umpires.

      • Sec 3, My Sofa - Jun 5, 2015 at 11:58 AM

        And the commissioner can’t mandate a change in a Collective Bargaining Agreement.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 1:22 PM

        Media does a lot of things not mandated.

        I understand that MLB agreed to this. That is why my bigger point is why does the MLB hide the umpires. If they are actually doing a good job there is no need hide them.

        Heard somewhere that MLB didn’t have the feed we saw that showed the late tag. How is that possible?

    • jd - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:57 AM


      I have been following a bunch of teams in a bunch of sports for many years. Every fan’s teams always think that their team is always hosed by the officials and furthermore that it’s done maliciously. While I agree that the Nats got the short end of the stick on a bunch of calls last night let’s just chalk this up to a bad night by the umpires rather than some dark conspiracy to screw tha Nats.

      I think the umps and refs are human, they will make mistakes and some umps/refs are better than others. Bottom line, score more than a couple of runs a game and the close calls won’t be so amplified.

      • Eugene in Oregon - Jun 5, 2015 at 11:01 AM

        +1. After reading through the thread I was thinking of posting an almost identical comment, but you nailed it.

      • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 1:28 PM

        The umps are adjudicators. I watch many games a week. They are screwing the Nats. They sometimes even help the Nats. However in generally inaccuracy is way too high for an adjudicator. The Dodger game’s home ump was dreaming not calling the game.

        Home umping by most is the worse. As technology improves, the accuracy of the umps seem to down.

        Would accept an a huge to be accurate 98% of the time? Never.

        We got the technology to have 100% accuracy use it. The Espi play was bad, but the technology was used and was still bad.

        The Harper play was bad and technology was not used because a poor call.

  14. nats128 - Jun 5, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    “natsguy – Jun 5, 2015 at 9:26 AM
    Nats Lady,

    I beg to differ about RZIM, its the shoulder. I’ve been watching him take strikes on the outside he should be hitting for the past two years. The league knows. He got away with it last year because he played so little with the hamstring and the hand (also a contributor). He is not the hitter he used to be and probably will never be. Plantar Fascitis hurts (i’ve had it) but not to the extent that it would lower his bat speed as precipitously as the shoulder has. Tyler Moore is more of a threat these days. That’s not saying much.

    When I saw that that RZIM was cheating up at 3B in the past because of his shoulder, everybody on this site butchered me. Who was right.

    He’s the reason Harper is getting so many walks. They don’t have any fear of RZIM at all. You do him a favor by pitching inside.”

    I tend to agree on the bat speed and more likely its the shoulder but heck, I dont know, Rizzo and MW probaly do becuz they have the bat speed data and video and most likely know.

    I wasnt a poster but a reader way back when RZ in 2012 was up near the grass and cheating towards SS when he was playing 3rd and I dont recall you ever making comments on” RZIM was cheating up at 3B”. I do remeber another poster who made that observation and was butchered for it but it wasnt you unless you are also The Ghost Of Steve M.

    • rlndtln - Jun 5, 2015 at 1:00 PM

      I can not understand MW not bunting with whoever he wanted up either Uggla or JZIM a bunt had to happen.There is no reason with the top of the order coming up.Also had Rendon walked in the 9th Harper batting 4th would not have come up with 2 outs and the bases loaded.He must bat Hrp 3rd and will tonite with Esco out.Also Rendo would have gotten better pitches to hit with Harp on deck and not Danny.On the blown call with Harp since we had no recourse MW should have come out screaming on that terrible call.He would have in the past with no replay so we had no replay and he let Rob Drake screw us over.He should have yelled and screamed and got thrown out to highlite this guys either incompetence or hatred of Harp.

  15. janebeard - Jun 5, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    There really should be some recourse for bad umping—you’d think that they would police their own. And that in a world that increasingly values transparency and accountability, they’d make the decision themselves to make the umps available to the press. I agree with the poster above who predicts that we’ll get squeezed at the plate while their pitcher will get all the close calls. I hope Drake has reviewed his performance of last night and comes in intending to do better tonight. Because he OWES our guys.

    • manassasnatsfan - Jun 5, 2015 at 1:31 PM

      I have no faith in Drake. I know MLB refuses to address bad umpires.

  16. zmunchkin - Jun 5, 2015 at 2:31 PM

    Check out this post by Scott Allen in the Post:

    Nats opponents are 12/12 on replays and the Nats 3/9. League average is that calls are reversed 46% of the time. As one poster there said, that happening by chance (i.e., is a coincidence) is .009% (less than 1 chance in 10,000). His calculation (.46 to the 12th power) is a simplification of the actual chances, but it is close enough to the real calculation.

    As Ghost says above, this is not a coincidence.

    • natsfan1a - Jun 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM






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